In pictures: India’s reaction to Italy’s refusal to send back marines charged with killing fishermen
In a major embarrassment to the Indian government, Italy has reneged on its promise of sending back the two marines charged with killing of two fishermen off the coast of Kerala, to face trial. How did the government react to this breach of trust? Special correspondent Atul Baskarbe brings you the story in pictures:
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sahi………………….
indian
March 12, 2013 at 9:26 am
not so impressive, ASK …! may be I am seething with anger over this issue that i failed to notice the sarcasm implied .
sam
March 12, 2013 at 9:54 am
That was quick!
Krr
March 12, 2013 at 10:52 am
Fantastic one (lit as well as fig)!
Reddy
March 12, 2013 at 11:43 am
Not in mood to laugh. We are being taken for numerous rides. Feeling ashamed. Enough already.
Gursimrat Singh Khalsa
March 12, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Not upto the mark
Sugi
March 12, 2013 at 1:13 pm
the best one!! haven’t laugh so hard :P :P
Ningning Niumai
March 12, 2013 at 2:30 pm
if only it was that simple. Nice work.
Aman
March 12, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Really, i feel like all of the 1 billion people have been betraued. ..ck supreme court who allowed them to go.. if we cant defend our own people shame on us.
Vivek
March 12, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Really, i feel like all of the 1 billion people have been betrayed. .uck supreme court who allowed them to go.. if we cant defend our own people shame on us.
Vivek
March 12, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Ashwin, this is one topic upon which no matter how talented one is,once can never make a satire. This is just like Bhopal 1984. This is just like Bofors 1987. If the beheading of our two soldiers by Pak wasn’t enough then this one really makes the blood boil of any Indian whose worth is more than 1 paisa.
Ullu Banati
March 12, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Don’t you think you are over-reacting? The families themselves have withdrawn the petition against the marines, after they were paid blood money. Apparently they didn’t want the marines to come back the first time they went back to Italy! The government should have disposed off the matter in a transparent manner instead of doing dumb politics on this.
And personally I think, it’s a bit too much to compare what is essentially an error of judgement on the marines’ part to Bhopal 1984 and beheading of soldiers.
Vipul
March 12, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Don’t bother with commenting if you can’t understand the finer analogies. In Bhopal 1984′s case, Anderson manage to escape to USA. In Bofors, Quattrochi managed to escape even after being arrested due to shoody work by CBI, he even got access to his frozen accounts and withdrew all the money. Here on the pretext of going back for voting (for 4 weeks) these Italy marines are now not coming back and all you seem happy about is that they at least paid the victims’ family blood money?
Would you react the same way and be happy if person X were to rape your sister and then give her “Honour Money” of Rs 50 Lakhs? How much would you settle for? 1 Crore? 2 Crore? 5 Crore? 10 Crore? How much “payment” would make you feel happy?
Shame on you. You are a disgrace. We are a banana republic cos we have assholes like you among us. If you were in front of me right now then I would have spit on your face.
Ullu Banati
March 12, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Interesting to see how quickly you came down to abuse. Relax. :)
Are you comparing what the marines did to a rape? :) That’s an over-reaction as well, isn’t it?
No one is denying the government has been extremely dumb and spineless in this matter. But then, have we really been covering ourselves in glory in the recent past? Is there anything in our recent history to suggest that we are anything but a soft state? My only point is, notwithstanding the embarrassment (which is all too common for Indians), there’s not as much in this issue to get worked up about, as certain other issues in the country.
For example, I’d be far more outraged about Raja Bhaiya roaming around freely after what he allegedly did to the DSP. Now that’s a cold-blooded crime. This, what the marines did, was an error of judgement. It’s bad, but definitely not as bad as many others. You should save your outrage for something else, and if possible do something more than abusing others on an online discussion forums as well. :)
Vipul
March 12, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Good reply Vipul. Clam, Objective and Polite.
Ashu
March 12, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Abuse? You hardly have any honour and dignity in my eyes to get abused. If anything then I was a bit polite to you when you said our outrage was over-reaction. I would really like to see how you would react if your sister was raped and the rapist were to throw money on your face and ask you not to “over-react” and instead “to get worked up about the other things happening around us”.
You almost seem eager to be seen on the side of the Italian Marines. If it was just an error of judgement then does it mitigate the crime? They knew fully well they were shooting at humans. Their line of thinking really does not matter here. One can’t simply open fire at other boats and ships saying they thought they were pirates. What is the point of being trained Marines if they are so paranoid?
And your stupidity becomes clear when you try to pit a case where the accused are certain to have killed other persons by direct shooting with a case where a police officer was attacked and killed by a mob which may or may not have been due to the person being accused of the murder. In the 1st case there is no doubt about who did it while in the 2nd case there is nothing except accusations. Even you can be accused by anyone from that village of having instigated the mob. What will you do then? Would you say it is shameful that a criminal like you is roaming free? I hope you use your own standards on you too.
Eveyr word typed by you shows how much of an idiot you are. Because we have not done anything glorifying in the past so we should take one more case of insult? Rubbish. Just cos your sister has been raped 5 times in the past so she can be rape once more? And imagine, the rapists saying they raped your sister due to an “Error of Judgement”. Wow Wow.
I did not reply to you, you replied to me. For a person like you, I should be far more abusive. But it seems you love abuses.
Oh Oh, I am sorry. I abused you, your sister. My bad. It was just an “Error of Judgement”.
Ullu Banati
March 12, 2013 at 9:17 pm
dude Ullu Banati… you need help man.
Mahesh
March 12, 2013 at 9:32 pm
@Ullu
Wow. You’ve gotten really worked up about it, haven’t you?
Good. Now go do something that actually adds value to someone, something.. anything, instead of sitting on an armchair ranting like a lunatic, fantasizing about rape.
Vipul
March 12, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Nice reply.
Dominic
March 13, 2013 at 1:52 pm
@Ullu B,
Keep calm, and get help.
Dominic
March 13, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Dude Ullu, get some help man. I think its a personality disorder… u gotta take some prescription bud.
Nullu Unati
March 14, 2013 at 9:04 am
A small addition. Anderson did not simply ‘manage’ to escape; he was chaperoned by none other than our great Congress Leader and then MP’s CM Mr. Arjun Singh (RIP) on whose orders he was ferried secretly.
Deja Vu! If not tomorrow, very shortly, this Envoy also is going to nonchalantly walk away, in all probability, accompanied by a minister. Maybe he would be given a leave of absence of one week to receive the direct blessings from the new Pope!
Narsi Kaushik
March 18, 2013 at 8:56 pm
Why all Italians are crooks, cheats, dishonest, cunning and NOT TRUST WORTHY?
sankaran
March 12, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Lol@ Ornob !
Rupesh
March 12, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Sonio Gandho..!
Gundya
March 12, 2013 at 5:54 pm
There is a simple answer to such cowardice– don’t buy Italian goods! Boycott all Italian products. One billion consumers have a lot of power to wield. We unfortunately don’t make an effort to wield it.
Lodi
March 12, 2013 at 7:24 pm
enjoyed the satire, but my blood is still boiling. Italy is not at all fault here. They cared for their 2 marines and did whatever they had to do to free their CIIZENS. On the other hand, we allowed them to have a Christmas at home as well as allowed them to go to vote. Who the hell gives criminals special rights? We are the traitors, crooks, cheats and cunning people here. How on earth can the CJI allow them to go away?? Reminded of this statement “A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within”.
There is however light at the end of the tunnel(Modi) if we go to the end of it, else we shall be condemned to eternal darkness.
indischedeutscher
March 12, 2013 at 8:28 pm
@Vipul: You should be ashamed of yourself. You mix up various things together and think that cos things are wrong anyways so let one more thing go wrong. You have no idea of how this presents India globally. You have no idea what is the meaning of sovereign assurances. You have no idea how law works. All you want is to keep quiet and accuse others of being arm chair ranters when they express their genuine rightful reactions. I wonder if you really are of use to anyone in this world.
You had no answer to that rape point so you pretended I was fantasizing about it? It shows what limited perverted mind you got. Why did you start all this then? Probably you would ask your sister not to “over-react” if she was raped and paid compensation for it. You would do that, I can bet. Your mentality seems like that. Just do one thing, do not get married. We do not need your children to pollute India any more. I would have asked you to get castrated also but then it seems you don’t have any balls anyways.
Huh, so much is wrong with India cos we have assholes like you among us. Oh I abused you again? Sorry, just an “Error of Judgement”. Now get lost.
@Mahesh: And you need some testosterone.
Ullu Banati
March 12, 2013 at 10:20 pm
“You have no idea of how this presents India globally” – LOL. Er.. I sort of went beyond that. I asked, can you do anything more than rant about it? You’d probably have ranted when Anderson was sent home. You’d probably have abused someone when Masood Azhar was accompanied to Kandahar. I’m sure you felt very Indian after that. But can you do anything more that? Because your outrage, filthy analogies, and abuse of your countrymen don’t mean shit. They don’t improve our situation one bit. I’d rather you come up with constructive ideas to improve the situation. OR SHUT UP. If even 50% of chaps like you do this, internet will be a way better place.
What the hell am I supposed to say to your filthy rape ‘point’? First you chide me for not understanding your ‘finer analogies’, then immediately you bring in this ‘if your sister was raped’ analogy. Is this one of your ‘finer analogies’? Wow. I understand the reason why you brought in the whole ‘if your sister was raped’ point. You are telling me – by getting rather personal – that I should be far more outraged about the incident than you think I am, at least as much as you are – anyone who doesn’t meet your level of recommended outrage about this is automatically, in your words, an asshole. How do you think I should respond to that? Well, I’m sure you have some choicest abuses for this as well, but I prefer to just ignore such rampant stupidity.
My first reply to you was polite. You could have replied politely, and we might have had a decent, perhaps even informative discussion. But you had to descend to abuse and filth. Go abuse me even more. Have the last word, and pat yourself on the back for doing your bit for the nation. :) I’m signing off.
Vipul
March 12, 2013 at 11:05 pm
@Vipul: I would have been more civil with you had you not insulted the dead Indian’s family by saying that they have anyways receive the blood money and so suddenly the murders now don’t matter. I merely used it back to you. Personal? You ticked off a personal tragedy for them which is also a national issue for us as an “Error of Judgement” and you want me to respect you? You should be stripped down, blackened and thrashed in the market, you are that kind of a shameless bastard. Ppl like you deserve not an ounce of respect.
There are so many double standards in your comments that I would need a 10,000 word reply to deal with them.
1. You accuse me of saying that anybody who does not get outraged to “my” expected level then he must be an asshole. Firstly, yes, you indeed are an asshole but not for that. You are an asshole cos you tried to mitigate the crime by calling it an “Error Of Judgement”. That btw is no defense in law. I ask you again, if someone rapes your sister thinking she was someone else and then says it was an error of judgement then does it become a lesser rape? You are such an idiot that you can’t deal with this point one way or the other. Anyways, your double standard is that you think that anyone who gets outraged more than you think one should then he must be over-reacting.
2. Suppose I am a 70 year old handicapped person suffering from partial blindness. My body is all weak and I tremble when I type or walk. If I am incapable of doing something physically more intensive and involving does it mean I shouldn’t even get angry? Do I have no right to feel outraged? Must I be a powerful man or a man of action before I get outraged? Even if I am a 25 year old fit, energetic athletic person, does it mean I must mobilize ppl for a protest or write letters to MHA before I get outraged? Your whole argument is laughable. By your logic, poor families should not complain or get angry when their girls get raped if they can’t do anything substantial about it.
3. Yes you failed to understand why I had mentioned Bhopal and Bofors. You thought I compared the human tragedy of Bhopal with the killing of Indians by Marines. This shows how much of an asshole you are. My analogy was the way Anderson was allowed to leave by the then Congress govt and the similarity of it with the way these Marines managed to escape. You are way bigger a fool to still see this analogy. I hope at least now you can see some of it.
4. What is filthy about that rape point? We have a case where the murderers are clearly identified and not even the accused denies the killings. You compared this case to a case that is more about politics and appeasement than actual fact-finding and where there are only allegations that a certain person was behind it. You see these two as similar? If that was your whole logic then perhaps you should be more worried about having a PM who as Coal Minister was in the centre of a 1.86 Lakh Crore coal scam. Btw, what did YOU do about that DSP’s murder case? I bet you did nothing except making a comment about it. If you can’t do any better then why don’t you just SHUT UP? See? I am only using your own arguments to you so far and you have no answers to them cos they are essentially flawed and frankly, ridiculous.
5. Your main problem is that you recognize your own impotency (congrats for this btw). You feel that yo are good for nothing, you lack any skill to do anything. Then you slide on a slippery slope and conclude that you better not do or say ANYTHING. And then you start telling others also to do like this. This is your way of living your life. YOU can’t do anything, so you don’t want to even say anything. Those who say anything are over-reacting in your eyes. If they were to start doing anything then you would say they are massively over-overreacting. You can’t even answer simplest of questions as to how you would react if your sister was raped due to an “Error of Judgement” and was then given “Honour Money”. May be you would quietly accept the money and walk away with your raped sister saying that you anyways can’t do anything so why bother with any anger. Shame on an impotent bastard sloth living like this.
6. No Indian is over-reacting at the moment. Even if I were to say even more nasty stuff for you or for the Italian Marines it would not tantamount to over-reaction. Reason? Firstly, the killings were shocking and showed the brazen callousness of the Marines who thought they could open fire just like that. The marines felt the Indian boat was that of pirates and they attacked it. THAT was over-reaction Mr Asshole, not my outrage. This hasty flawed decision making to kill Indians in itself is solid ground to get as much angry as one can. Secondly, the Italian Embassy gave assurances of behalf of the state of Italy to SC that these Marines would come back and now they have reneged. This means that the state of Italy lied to SC and did a contempt of court. Take an analogy, your sister is getting married but on the date of her wedding the groom’s family says the groom won’t come. They go back on their word, now would you not get angry? How much would you get angry? I’d say anyone with a bit of self-respect would get charged up. A very large percentage of us would even call the police or attack the family for not keeping its word. The groom would be caught and beaten up too. This may be a crime in itself but such an anger would be natural and justified. Only an ball-less person like you would call it as an over-reaction.
7. The problem is that while you can chose to keep quiet cos you anyways don’t have anything inside, I can’t keep quiet. If not anything else then at least I will express my anger. I will do it all I can. You are no one to tell me how much I should get angry. And if you do then you should be fully prepared to deal with my replies. I can’t let idiots like you to get away like this. Ppl like you make up most of the problems in India. Jaane do, rehne do, chalta hai, this is your mindset. Bastards like you should be hunted and shot dead in broad day light so that you can infect no one else.
Next time, do not dare to tell anyone how he/she should react. You don’t know how to use your balls but others do know. Even women have more balls than closet-eunuchs like you.
Do remember to go for your castration tomorrow. Now don’t tell me you have already done that years back.
I hope you will not bother me anymore.
Ullu Banati
March 13, 2013 at 12:00 am
Everyone has his own thinking and you do not get a right to abuse someone if his/her thinking does not match yours. Abusing someone is very easy thing to do than discussing it calmly. Respect others views as well. Be cool and please do not abuse others.
Om shanti shanti shantihi
April 5, 2013 at 5:35 pm
“You have no idea of how this presents India globally.”
and you, my friend, with all your comments, are presenting India globally very well !
Ullu ke phatte
March 12, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Ullu Ke Patthey ki Aulaad: Oho, so now I don’t even have a right to express my anger? Don’t poke me if you can’t back it up. As simple as that. Indians getting angry over this issue is completely ok, no one can put a limit to that anger. But ppls like you who have Ullu Ke Pathhey as their fathers are the ones who feel ashamed of being angry. We have trolls like Vipul here and now you. You are worried about image of India getting soiled cos I am getting angry? I bet others would be laughing about Vipul, Mahesh and Ashu and say that with these douches we can walk over India any time. You are a loser and a sucker so bitches, keep sucking.
Ullu Banati
March 12, 2013 at 11:11 pm
I find the comments thread more entertaining than the actual cartoon strip :)
I was irritated when I read Vipul’s “Aren’t you overreacting” thread. I suppose it is easy to rationalize when the tragedy is not personal. And even if we assume that the ‘blood money’made it worth their while – it just reinforces the image of India’s inept governing body and hurts our brand as a nation. Its incidents like these which increase my apathy and make me balk at being recognized as an Indian.
While we are on the topic of choosing sides,I am with ullu – though perhaps a tad more eloquent (I’d like to think:)
Aparna
March 13, 2013 at 12:49 am
Sure, appreciate your opinion. :)
My only point was that the aggrieved families have withdrawn their submissions against the marines, after they were paid damages. If you take them out of the equation (and I suppose you have to since they’ve withdrawn from it, notwithstanding what they say when a mike is thrust on them), the matter becomes an issue between two countries. And you don’t decide bilateral issues in a hot-headed, outraged state.
Of course we (the govt. or the court or both) screwed up there as well, but then, at least the families got what they wanted (as against what Ullu wants for them).
Yeah, the incident once again shows India in a terrible light, but what can we do about it in the short term, if the govt is so weak kneed? Some foreigner chancing upon this page isn’t going to change his opinion about India just by seeing how angry Ullu is. “Wow, hey Brian, check this guy out. He’s all fire and blood. We were wrong about India, dude,” – not something he’s going to say. Given our recent history, we will be considered soft for quite a while. My humble point was, we are better off working towards electing/supporting better leaders and setting examples ourselves in our daily lives instead of just getting angry and abusive.
PS: Fully expect our man Ullu to descend on this thread as well :)
Vipul
March 13, 2013 at 8:22 am
If we cannot do anything in the short term or in the long term so we should not even express our emotions. What a pathetic loser you are !!!!!!
I find myself in unison with almost everything ullubanati said here and in total disagreement in everything you have said here. He is a bit abusive towards you but I frankly think that you are asking for all that.
Ira Sharma
March 14, 2013 at 2:56 am
@Vipul. Dont waste your time responding to a filthy person who has no manners/etiquette of putting his point. Is abusing the only way that idiot can get his message across ?? I hang my head in shame that there are other retards who agree with that embeciles way of putting things across
jamjoom
March 26, 2013 at 11:20 am
@vipul
Man, this is utterly awesome. Completely objective, rational and factual replies.
Rahul
March 13, 2013 at 7:27 am
Dear fellow readers,
1. On behalf of the UnReal Times
Ashwin is an experienced author, by now, he has enough to his credit to judge what is insensitive, and what is not.
But, as far as human nature is concerned, anybody great can commit mistakes. He might have parodied a topic which was better to be left alone.
That brings us to UnReal Mama(Single pen-name Of both the Editors). I have full faith in Him. He must have thought multiple times before passing this piece. Satire is a risky business. If He has passed this piece, it is surely to be taken in a light vien.
The UnReal times, in additon to churing out hilarious pieces from its stables, also aims at providing an alternative view of things. Healthy* discussion is encouraged.
2. There are 3 ways at which people can look at things.
A) general way
B) personal way
C) detached way
while @vipul chose a general view of things, @Ullubanati chose a personal view. Ullu considered the aggrived as his own, and lent a voice to them. (it is a different matter that the family has been ‘compensated’)
There is nothing wrong with both approaches. In fact, the world of free thinking grows only if people have different views of the same thing.
3. @Ullubanati : ”If your sister was raped” analogy is fine, but it does not suit the current situation. It could have been more appropriately used if a Person had indeed shown lack of concern for a victim of crime as horrific as rape. But NOT for an issue concerning 2 nations.
3. @Ullubanati: Abuse cannot be liberally used. ‘Killed in public’, ‘castration’ could have been avoided. You could have attacked, trashed, crucified the opinions of @vipul, but not him. Remember, he is a fellow citizen, just like the fishermen were. Im sure u will agree with me.
4. @vipul and @ullubanati : u guys have starkly different opinions regarding this matter. Who knows, there may be similarities in matters concerning sports, academics,, literature and what not. Instead of having an outright hatred, please do make an effort to socialize and learn more about the opposite individual.
Healthy* – ask your concience what it means :)
The Ultimate CSK fan
March 13, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Darn you!! Just when it was getting interesting :| :P
Sar Casm
March 15, 2013 at 11:34 pm
Do chill out by reading some more comment threads, to see how one’s comments are percieved by somebody other visiting the page sometime later.
http://www.theunrealtimes.com/2011/08/12/bcg-hires-mckinsey-to-advise-it-on-how-to-become-number-1/#
http://www.theunrealtimes.com/2012/07/10/jackie-shroff-to-host-mtv-roadies-10/?comments=true http://www.theunrealtimes.com/2011/09/15/journalist-mistakenly-interviews-bollywood-actor-imran-khan-instead-of-pakistani-cricket-legend/?comments=true
The Ultimate CSK fan
March 13, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Been a reader of UT for a long time now but never commented. Today, for the 1st time I am forced to comment. I am personally touched by the emotions and visible anger of Ullubanati. We all should be mad as hell at what has happened. I was angry to a similar level when I 1st read this news yesterday.
Ullubanati – Awesome comments. You have completely demolished all that Vipul has said. He is trying to be needlessly cool. I am fully with you on this and feel sad at all that has happened. We should give a hard reply to these Italians who have fooled us. Our govt too has a role in this and I hope these inept leaders go away soon.
Vipul, what is your problem man? Can’t you see this is a very serious issue? You are treating this as just another issue. This is a satire website but the issue is a real tragedy. What is a serious issue for you if this is not. At what point would you get angry? You have all things mixed up. What is the point of acting as cool here? I would rather have 1 friend like Ullu than 50 friends like you.
Ullu banati, what a name you got. Did you use this name because Italy made ullu of India? I would love to be your friend (esp if you are a girl thought I doubt). I salute you.
Rupesh Malhotra
March 13, 2013 at 3:14 pm
I agree. Vipul thinks this is not a big enough case for Indians to get angry and he wants ullu banati to control his emotions. ullu banati was very correct in asking him if he would behave in a similar manner if his sister was raped by someone. He keeps on saying that this was not a major crime since it was an error in judgement. What can one say for a person who thinks this way. I showed my team this article and the moment they read Vipul’s error of judgement and not to over react comment the natural reaction of all of us was that kutte tere baap ka khoon hoga tab tere ko bolenge over react mat kar kyunki yeh khoon galti se ho gaya.
But why are you flirting? I doubt if ullu banati is a girl. If she is a girl then she is more manly than many of us men. A gf like UB will chew you for snacks, what will you do then?
But seriously ullu banati, hats off to you. I too would want you as my friend. I salute you like Roopesh did.
Hummer
March 13, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Wow what a sexist!
Sar Casm
March 15, 2013 at 11:35 pm
100 bato ki ek baat….Ullu gussa hoke kuch nahi ukhad sakta hai…..nahi hum me se koi cool dude kuch karna chahta hai…hum sab vote hi dal de to bhot badi baat hojaegi…and to make it clear…this was suppposed to make us laugh…not to create some riot in the comments section….lmao
Raju
May 4, 2013 at 9:14 am
Hats off to Ullu Banati for some wonderful trolling. Looks like his uber-macho comments have genuinely ruffled a lot of fellow posters, not least Vipul. The best bit was “oh you don’t think this is a big deal? What if your sister was raped?”; that is simply God level.
Ullu Banati, take a bow.
Abhinandan
March 13, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Ullu Banati is trolling? You know what trolling is? It was that first person Vipul who trolled him by making that don’t over-react comment. You should check the meaning of trolling before you use them so casually like this. His what if your sister was raped analogy makes sense to me too. Vipul thinks this issue is a small one and asks the fishermen to chill out because they have the money now and so ullu banati is very fair in asking is Vipul would behave in a simialr way if his sister was raped. If you want then you can replace rape with murder. I agree that ullu banati is angry to a very high level but I won’t say he is over-reacting or being uber-macho. You are insulting the outrage of a fellow Indian who has every right to be angry. I may or may not be angry that much but I fully understand his arguments and to me he makes a lot of sense unlike Vipul who is uber-cool and now you. Your forced cool-quotient is god-level in my eyes.
Ullu banati, do not worry about these ppl. I am with you. I showed your comments to my team-mates and each and everyone says you are right. Vipul comes across as a joker here. Your words have a strong passion and they affect anyone who reads them. Forget about Vipul.
Hummer
March 13, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Why can’t we put the Italian ambasador who signed as gurantor in jail? His gurantee is obviously no good…
r
March 13, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Funny but who is the guy with the ponytail? I don’t understand that part…
Luhara
March 13, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Everyone is a critic. Deal with it. Backing people making comments on a website and counting the votes really doesnt solve anything. The points posted here are valid from each one’s perspective. But does this really help the situation?? Instead of doing something together there is further division of the public opinion and causing more bitter people. Divide and rule is what is happening here. One has to start thinking how such politicians got to where they are and see how this can be changed. In the recent polls in Karnataka I noticed that the electoral turnout was a mere 22%. Is this the voice of the state??! If you start helping to change this I am sure our children and future generations will not have to deal with such ridiculous situations. I mean both about the position our government has put themselves in and the mud slinging that is happening here. Before anyone retorts – remember that you get dirty first if you are going to throw mud on others. Outrage and/or complacency isnt going to change the situation in the future. Action, more than mere words, is what will. Calm, calculated and intelligent action is the need of the hour. What I would like to see is a positive approach and a healthy discussion to deal with this situation rather than “throw them out” “kill them” “beat them” “castrate them”. Because you know as well as I do that this is not the solution but rather just plain immature behavior.
As a start, get real with your names. Seriously!! Look at the names you have used…
Murugu
March 13, 2013 at 9:58 pm
Precisely. My. Point. THANKS A TON. You articulated it much better.
As you said the first thing we could do is go and vote. I’ve been trying to get the friends in my network to go get Voter ID cards over the last few months – ever since news of all these countless scams broke out. Like most of us, I too have been disillusioned for so long. If a sizeable percentage of us could just ensure that we go out there and vote, we’ll probably get someone better than this screwed up govt. About time we kick these chaps out.
Vipul
March 13, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Oh! I forgot to congratulate the creator of this strip. Excellent representation of some of our sentiments.
Murugu
March 13, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Seriously what is wrong with you guys?
Did anyone see the original comment of Ullu Banati?
All he said was that his blood was boiling at what had happened and this was another insult of India globally just like the recent beheading of Indian soldiers in J&K. Anyone who doesn’t agree with this has to be a pathetic loser. If such instances do not make the blood boil of an Indian then what will? My father is a retired Col, my mother is a retired teacher, they are both 60+ and they too have almost exact feelings as Ullu Banati here. Balki my dad was totally mad when he heard about the beheadings as he had served there. This was a case of trigger happy careless Italians who recklessly opened fire on a boat of fishermen. At one place Ullu Banati said that if anything this was Over-Reaction, I fully agree with him. When the other side is happy to over-react then we are free to do so too.
@ullubanati— Even as a middle aged woman and a mother, I have similar thoughts and really I pity others who have a diff stand than yours or mine. Amazing how a satirical article generated so much debate.
@vipul— He only said his blood was boiling as he saw this as another case of govt incompetence and an international slight to India. How is this over reaction and why should his blood not boil? And what did you mean when you asked him to do more things than just saying things on his computer? Are you also not doing the same? How do you know if he is not doing something else apart from expressing his anguish. Arnab and Rajdeep also do the same, they just talk. You want them to shut up too? If you are a young man then I am very disappointed with your attitude. ullubanati is right, you are a pacifist. Balki I would say you are a coward. If you are not ashamed of yourself but I am ashamed that you are a fellow Indian. Ullu is a hero in my eyes. Whats with your voter card thingy? In the times of Aadhar card you are ab trying to get a voters card? Did you wake up from a 100 year sleep in Jan 2013 Mr Rip Won Winkel? You are using this as proof of your actual physical contribution to the society? It shows how slow you are in reacting to things cos the voters ID has been in use for the last 12-13 years and are passe now. Aur haan, scams too have been big news since 2010. You woke up a few months ago, reacted to scams that got coverage 3 years ago and decided to get a card that has been in place for 10 years? Jhandu baam ho kya? How is this a contribution to the society? This is only a personal document. Your whole set of arguments is ridiculous. Ullubanati is absolutely right in everything he has said for you. I find his words too strong for a public forum but you deserve all those abuses he has hurled at you. You are a shocker. I am aghast at your mindset.
@Abhinandan— You don’t even know what trolling is so forget about the rest of your comment.
@Rupesh— ROTFL, you are hopeless at flirting. My gawd. It is clear to anyone ullubanati is a guy.
@Others— Someone said ullubanati needed help. Have you ppl read that poem which goes like Jo bhara nahi hai bhavo se? Google it. You people are the ones who need help not ullu. Like he said, some of you indeed need testosterone injections.
@ullubanati— I will keep an eye on this. This is definitely the most interesting page on unreal times I have seen. Do not worry about the passionless guys here. Vipul doesn’t even have a Voters card and he talks of doing greater things. Jhandu baam jhandu baam peedahari baam.
Ira Sharma
March 14, 2013 at 2:49 am
Ira ji,
Ullu was chiding the author of this piece and hinting that he shouldn’t have spoofed it. The author is trying to provide some laughs during an arguably tough period, and this guy is going after him passing his judgement. I called THAT an over-reaction. Not his blood boiling blah blah. Come on, which Indian’s blood won’t boil at this? It’s stupid to even discuss it. We should try and go beyond that.
Aadhar is just a number (http://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/aadhaar-is-a-number-not-an-id-card-58937.html). It doesn’t replace the Voter ID card. You’d still need the Voter ID card to vote (There’s another proposal to make a multipurpose card based on Aadhar, but I don’t know how far it has gone). Going forward the Aadhar would perhaps be made compulsory for one to get a Voter Card, but for now it’s simpler (read online) to get a Voter Card, especially given the govt’s drive this year (2013 has been declared as the ‘Voter enrolment year’).
You’d also need to be on the electoral rolls of the constituency of the place where you live. While most of us might have a voter card, many (particularly the younger, more mobile chaps) would not have the card corresponding to the place where they live in. Not many bother to travel back home and vote (I’ve seen migrant labourers from Bihar travel in large numbers to go back and vote, but this is definitely not true of the middle and upper-middle class). So that leaves a lot of us (the hot-headed online ones :) who simply don’t vote. In my small way I’m trying to do what I can. I am also trying to do several other things – but since this is not about me, I’m not going to talk about it. (Also I don’t really care what you or anyone else thinks about me.). I mentioned the Voter ID thing because I believe that if a section of us try to push our peers into getting the require documentation, it might make a difference.
Vipul
March 14, 2013 at 8:21 am
Vipul no need to tell me what the voter card is and what aadhar is. Those are moot points so don’t try to digress. Be a man (if you really are) and meet the main issue here.
You are now lowering further your already lowly impression here. You are now blatantly lying and misquoting ullu banati. This is ridiculous. How low can you fall in our eyes?
Ullu banati had said that although he acknowledged Ashwin’s talent at satire, he felt that this was a topic which just did not give any potential to even talented Ashwin to be made into a nice satire. 5 of the first 9-10 comments say exactly the same thing. Ullu or the others said nothing about the quality of the satire but about the sadness of the background. No one questioned Ashwin’s right to satire. A no of ppl here have said that their blood boils at this event. You are among the few who are cold-blooded.
When you made that first comment to ullu banati, you said nothing about his (alleged by you) criticism of this article. You said that he was over-reacting cos the fishermen’s families had already received the blood money. You suggested that they were happy with the money and did not want the Marines to be punished. You also said this was just an error of judgement and so not such a big issue and you also said this was incomparable to 1984 or the recent beheadings. After that ullu explained to you how the laxity and complicity of the govt made this similar to Anderson’s escape in 1984. He also told you how this was an attack on India’s sovereignty followed by international humiliation of India. Anyone can see he is right. We all see it this way only. Do you smoke a lot of pot?
After all that, ullu banati wrote a detailed response to you where he took apart everything you had said till that point. Interestingly, till then you nowhere mentioned that your original objection was to the supposed criticism by ullu of this satire. Why did you not clarify it then itself? The way I or anyone else sees it, you said he was over reacting for a simple issue of error of judgement and you thought the matter was already dead as blood money had been paid. You then questioned his right to get angry at such a huge issue and asked him to do better things than being an arm critic. He handled that point very well but you could answer none of his rejoinders. To me you are saying one thing while all along you were saying something else to ullu banati. Every new comment of yours lowers your impression on the readers. Every time I read ullu’s comments he rises further in my eyes. He may be super angry at what has happened but this issue demands that. Every thing you have said here is ridiculous. Your blood money comment was destroyed by him when he asked you if you would accept blood money if a woman in your family was dishonored. You see nothing in this point because you are incapable of seeing into it.
Okay, now you tell me, lets set this Marines issue aside. You tell me, will you accept a payment of 1 Karod or 2 Karod if someone rapes your sister and then says it was an error of judgment or if he says that he thought she was some other girl? Now let me take another part of your comments, you said at a point that there is so much wrong in our country and so we should not get too much worked up about this issue. Ok now you tell me, if you had an old mother who was paralyzed, in that case if someone rapes your sister would you say that there is so much that is wrong in your life and so you see the rape as a simple issue? I think you good enough to meet only one challenge in your life. Real men (and women) can handle life in all its complexities. They do not keep running away from one problem saying that this is nothing I got more problems at the other side. They meet each challenge to the best of their ability. It is clear to me that you are not a real man. Ullu already has doubts if you are a man at all. I can’t believe we have such hopeless men in this nation. Advani at the age of 85 has more energy and passion than you. I assume you are 25-35 years old just like ullu banati.
Just one final thing to you. Ullu’s original comment here was very simple. He said this issue made his blood boil. He said it in the comments section of a public website. What else do you expect him to say here? You are also commenting here, he too is doing the same. How can he demonstrate what he does or plans to do in his real life? As a common man with limited means, he or I or anyone among us can only protest and express his/her anguish. He is at least angry at all this, you are not even willing to see this as a serious insult of India. You wanted him to come up with proper solutions and look what you came up yourself. For this issue of Italian Marines shooting dead innocent Indian fishermen and then their govt lying to our SC your solution is that we should have out voters card. Kya tum sahi mein jhand aadmi ho kya? Tumko jhandu balm nahi balki ek zordar thappad chahiye apni maa se ki yeh namoona paida kiya hai maine. Everything ullu banati has said for you is perfectly ok for you. You deserve all that. Ek fata hua socks tumse zyada useful hoga.
Pls don’t reply now. I don’t want to talk to a spineless person like you anymore.
Ira Sharma
March 14, 2013 at 5:19 pm
this Ira seems to be just the Ullu fellow using a different name… exactly same style of writing
Mahesh
March 14, 2013 at 5:57 pm
lol. U r right Mahesh… this is definitely ullubanati writing as Ira Sharma… man, this is one entertaining thread! what politics!! what drama! URT ROCKS!
dj
March 14, 2013 at 7:21 pm
By your very logic it seems to me that you and Mahesh are the same guys too. Similar comments, similar no of words, similar usage of dots at nearly the same place in both the comments. Howzzat?
I must admit that I find Ira Sharma’s thoughts very similar to my ideas and she nearly echoed all that I had in mind. But there is something called unison. When you share the same thoughts as someone else and feel affected by it then you unconsciously adopt a similar style too. My friends now tell me that I have now begun to talk like my boss (as I find him to be an extremely impressive person and love his ideas about anything). I can’t quite remember the word but this is identified in psychology as a defined behaviour too. A group begins to think and behave like a unit in certain conditions. Ah, it is called Group Cohesion. Read it up, very interesting topic for understanding team and system dynamics.
Thank you, have a nice day.
Ullu Banati
March 15, 2013 at 5:18 am
Why are all your posts so long!!! yawn!!
Sar Casm
March 15, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Please mention something about me as well. After all the names in the article, I am feeling a little left out
Sar Casm
March 15, 2013 at 11:38 pm
I am not an Indian but do have an affinity to the country. What happened was not good at all but what is happening is worst. Italy was right as a nation safeguarding their citizens. Instead of showing anger and emotions over the online forum where in it would not yield any results,get results in real world by actions. If Italy has defaulted on its word it is because of India’s incapability. Italy would not dare to do this with UK, USA Israel or even France. Abusing, advising or showing anger online is of no use. Did you forget your country is ruled by an Italian origin lady ?? British could rule the country because of the same reason as present. lack of unity and excessive greed.
**however and whatever you comment, you wont get a single word back from me. I did say what I wanted to say and I move on.
Arion Schuster
March 14, 2013 at 10:42 am
Vipul, junk all that ullu banati has said… I have only one thing to say to you, tu thoda duffer types hai you know the kind of people who think…arre india mein to aise hi hota hai..we are an underdeveloped country…we must just be happy at the money thrown at us..ye sab to aise hi chalta rahega…until we have people like you…sab kuch aise hi chalta rahega…having a voter id wont change that
Shetal
March 14, 2013 at 10:58 am
Sure, man. ‘duffer’, ‘chalta hai attitude’, ‘as long as ppl like you live, nothing will change’, blah blah blah.. Ullu said it in English, you’re doing it in Hindi. It’s cool. But what do you propose to DO? I happen to think the only way things can change is if we vote this govt out, and for that urban, middle-class Indians need to come out and vote. You may think its stupid. Sure, you’re entitled to your opinion. But also enlighten us with your solutions – if you have any that is.
Vipul
March 14, 2013 at 12:43 pm
Now you are talking of some action…If you’d done this in your first post there would be no trolling….Just junk your chalta hai attitude so that we dont have to hear any more theek hais and you will be fine… banda galat nahin hai tu…shaayad..
Shetal
March 14, 2013 at 2:18 pm
More evaluation, more judgement… still I don’t see you proposing any solutions
Vipul
March 14, 2013 at 2:58 pm
I dont need to provide my solutions to you..End of conversation…Over and out..
Shetal
March 14, 2013 at 4:55 pm
All right let’s all have a bigggg group huggg centered around UlluBanati-bhaiyaa.
Vipul, not YOU! Go stand in the corner, eyes DOWN!
burpinder
March 14, 2013 at 12:43 pm
I have been a bit too busy in office work and when I come back here after a few days what do I see? I see that people are still talking at this page, which makes this page one of the most interesting pages ever on URT. I am sure Ashwin and URT do not mind some serious comments on their satires. Satire is not plain comedy after all.
I have already said enough but want to make one thing clear. The ultimate CSK fans somehow thinks that I had questioned the quality of this satire or Ashwin’s ability of satirizing or his judgement in picking this topic. I don’t want another meaningless debate here but I challenge anyone to pin point the place where I did this. I had said that no matter how good the satire may be, this topic was making my blood boil. I hope The ultimate CSK fan can see this now. I also think that to talk of being detached or seeing things generally etc is a wrong approach here. We all should treat this as personal insult cos we all are Indians. It is this tendency of thinking “Mainnu Kee” or being needlessly philosophical that has been killing us.
“Roopesh”:- Dude I am a guy. However thanks for your comments. :-)
“Others”:- Thanks for your comments and interest whether you supported me or were against me. I hope we all learn something from this and realize that trying to be too cool is not the right approach at times. Vipul has this problem, I hope he too sees my point.
“Ira Sharma”:- Thanks for your comments. You said nearly all that I would have said. Great comments anyways. I too find Vipul’s final attempt of a solution very feeble. Get a voters ID cos Italian Marines killed our men and escaped sounds like a poor joke.
I had two main issues with what Vipul had said. One was that he was trying to tell me how I should react and second was he was over-eager to mitigate the killings as just a trivial error of judgement. Had he been an Italian then it would have been a diff thing but if a fellow Indian behaves like that then he has no idea of what causes insult. My question to him about his sister was not an abuse but a point I had put to him. He never took it up, all he did was trying to look too cool here. His question to me about what I was doing in my real life was a futile attempt to broaden his base to argue. I can ask too what he was doing other than commenting. Someone asked him about it, (Sheetla or Ira) and he said his solution was to get the voters card. That is like a patient being asked to take Liv-52 tablets when he has cancer of liver. Preventive measures being mistaken as corrective measures. Long term decisions being taken at the times of immediate decisions. This happens because he was trying to be too cool. I said it in the past and say it again, would Vipul ask for long term changes in rape laws, more judges, better policing, better street lights etc if his sister had been raped? This is not an abuse that I hurl at him, this is a simple honest hypothetical question. If Vipul finds a hypothetical question abusive and feels I am insulting him then why does he say that I am over-reacting when a real insult has happened, not once but twice by the same people and many times in the last 3 decades? This is nothing but double standard of Vipul, even he doesn’t know what he stands for. I don’t have a personal problem with him, he may be a nice guy in his real life. But the days of being nice are gone. To slay the pigs you got to get your hands bloody. If anyone wants then I am still fully prepared to stand here and argue exhaustively about this topic and why I feel we all must be as angry as we can. Anyone who feels otherwise should either explain his reasoning or should desist from questioning my right or reasoning to get angry.
I had only made a simple short comment originally but Vipul’s needlessly cool comment heated it up here. It’s not that I had only anger on this issue and nothing else but I chose to express my anger here and my solutions somewhere else. I am not contract-bound to show here what I would want to be done – I am not MMS anyways to take any decisions, all I can do is get angry. But nevertheless, Vipul’s solution is that get your voter card cos the Marines killed our men. My proposed solutions are:-
1) Arrest the Italian Envoy and treat him as a common prisoner. The diplomatic immunity need not be honoured cos he himself has not honoured his own word. Why should India always carry this burden of following norms?
2) Ban one or the other business deals with Italy. Hit them where it will hurt them the most.
3) Launch an International blitz to expose Italians as liers. Be as racist as you can be. These bastards deserve no consideration (esp when their Marines showed no hesitation in killing our men in cold blood).
4) If possible then blockade all Italian ships that pass through Arabian Sea to SL/South East Asia/Australia. Make them take long detours so that they run behind schedule. Scare them – Show them that they are not getting away from this. Italy in today’s times is a nothing nation. It can do nothing to us. It would be easy for us to launch naval operations in Arabian Sea but enormously diff for Italy to do the same there. Even if it does then it will only highlight the issue internationally and this is what we want anyways. Lest anyone thinks this is an insane step then he/she needs to read a bit about the recent China-Japan standoff about some islands. China had asked its forces to be at maximum alert and had even set its missiles targeting the Japanese positions in these islands. Despite all this, no war broke out except a few skirmishes. We in India seem to think that a war is a bad thing and moreover we immediately move from a position of peace to a state of war. We think there are no intermediate states. We can attack Italy diplomatically and economically. We can also use some limited firepower. Rest assured nothing would happen. Italy would chicken out and would hand over those killers to us. It is a question of will-power. Forget about NATO, Europe is crumbling under heavy debt, it just can’t afford a trivial issue to become a major conflict. No one is summarily killing this Marines anyways, they are to face trial in India after which they will serve out their sentence in Italy (due to a shocking agreement India signed with Italy in Dec 2012). Their running away would be seen as a mockery of a nation’s promise to another nations and no 3rd nations would jump into it. Even the International Court of Arbitration should summarily dismiss Italy’s case. We have nothing to lose. But to do all this, we would need to get into action mode. A cool attitude will not help an iota. We need to be angry and show that we are angry. Israel exchanged 1000+ Palestinians for ONE Israeli. This is how much they value the life of their men. We lost two fishermen then, we lost two soldiers who were beheaded, we lost 5 jawans yesterday and what do we do? We act cool.
Enough of this debate here. I have said a lot here and in my eyes, nothing else remains. I admit I am argumentative and love it but somehow this forum is not all that appetizing cos the other side just can’t rebut anything I say and refuses to even try to understand some of my questions. I am open to anything asked by anyone here but please do not question my right to react and please do not belittle this incident.
Those who talked of the need of being united in such times need to know that it is better to be 300 united men with a coherent thinking and right attitude than a 300,000 strong army with diffused thinking and misplaced attitudes.
Take care friends. I hope I can give more time to this article tomorrow if anything new comes up. This is one heck of an article on URT. URT, you are not unreal, you bring out the real emotions of ours. Thanks for this. Ashwin, I never sad this was a poor satire. It was a good satire but the basic issue was a bit too bitter for me. You know very well how much I enjoy your articles, I hope you remember my comments of the past. Keep coming up with more such stuff. Thanks once again.
UB.
PS:- 8000+ words, can you believe it? More than my LoC :-p
Ullu Banati
March 15, 2013 at 5:02 am
Nice solutions… but somehow I don’t think this government will ever do these things, thanks to the ‘Italian connection’. Hope Modi comes to power. He has the balls to do all this.
dj
March 15, 2013 at 9:38 am
This is some mind-boggling bakwaas. It only goes to show how immature you are.
Your solutions are theoretical and will not go beyond this forum. Do you think this government will actually do any of these? Are you really that naive? I’m hoping that you have listed these just for the sake of changing your image on this forum from a rabid ranter to someone less rabid, and you don’t actually mean them. If you actually thought that these are plausible solutions, then you are just too bloody dumb to debate with.
My question was what can we do as individuals? You’ve just ranted about what you think the government should do. Every Tom, Dick and Harry has an opinion on what the government should do. It doesn’t make you especially smart or Indian to read a few opinion columns, borrow some ideas and write down a few theoretical points on what we should do from a fricking armchair. Do you think the government gives a shit about what you write on a discussion forum in one corner of the world wide web? These are the guys who are still sitting on the Lokpal bill after such massive street protests all over the country because it conflicts with their vested interests. And you have the nerve to say ‘Nobody has been able to rebut what you have said on this’. Your stupidity is transcendent. People in my office are ROFLing reading your stuff.
I thought your rape analogy was stupid, which is why I decided not to dignify it with an answer. In analyzing the incident, you’ve completely ignored ‘motive’ (which fyi is an important argument in legal cases). Prima facie, the marines had absolutely no motive to kill the fishermen. It pretty much looks like a mistake on part of the marines – a horrifying mistake no doubt that must have consequences to ensure it doesn’t ever happen again – but a shocking error in judgement still. It simply doesn’t make sense to compare it with examples of other motivated crimes. The fact you did that and continue to defend it shows how moronic you are.
I can’t believe you went after the soldier as well, casually belittling what he does just because he disagreed with you, somehow implying that your bookish knowledge is somehow better than his on the field experience. If it wasn’t so tragic, I’d be laughing my guts out.
I am sick of know-it-all trolls like you. Do us all a favour. Do NOT support good leaders on online forums. Because everytime you do, some 10 guys who are otherwise tentative about their choices will run away.
Vipul
March 16, 2013 at 9:21 am
Pathetic state of affairs…and a pathetic state !!
Ajith
March 15, 2013 at 9:54 am
It is painful to see so much of frustration and rage in the comments here. I would agree with Vipul who tried to show this Italian marine incident in an objective way. What happened was painful and disgusting as Italy treated us so shabbily. But forget Italy for a moment. Closer at home we have our enemies who are killing our soldiers – make us bleed every day by their terrorist acts. Srilanka is killing Indian fishermen by the dozens – deliberately and in cold blood. Why is it that we turn a blind eye to these nations and instead waste so much of our collective anger against Italy ?
For those who questioned the error of judgement by the Italian Marines – Have you ever served in the Armed Forces ? I do. Sometimes it happens that we have to use all means possible to safeguard our objective. As a fellow soldier I can empathize with the Marines – it was a wrong call, an error in judgement. Period. By the same token a couple of years back, one of our sentries shot dead a young boy who jumped into the Army officer’s home in Bangalore. It is not done in cold blood. It is an accident.
For those sitting in the comfort of their home, it is hard to understand the travails of a soldier.
At the end of the day we should be looking to punish our enemies closer at home than looking for trouble elsewhere.
The Soldier
March 15, 2013 at 11:52 am
The soldier:-
Does it make sense to say that we will not deal with problem P1 cos we also have problems P2, P3 and P4 staring at us? If we have problems with SL does it mean we should not dwell on the Italy issue? A better govt would have preempted all such issues but now that we do have these issues we got to deal with ALL of them. We can’t pick and choose our problems.
Pls explain this statement of yours — “It is painful to see so much rage and frustration in the comments here”. Why do you think there should not be rage and frustration? Should we be celebrating instead?
Because the current article is about the Italian Marines that is why the comments here are related to them. Do you seriously expect us to bring in here all the 1000s of problems India is facing and to solve all of them? That is the problem in your and Vipul’s approach. Complexity of issues confuses you and then a brain-freeze occurs. Then each time you focus on one thing you really want to move on to the other thing cos the issue at hand overwhelms you. Call me judgmental but your comments reveal what your mindset really is. Anyone can see that.
Good that you are a soldier, I got a few who have been or are in Army too. From 71 veterans to Kargil. One of my cousins is a major and was in Bandipur till recently. Astonishingly and pleasantly, not one of them has ever actually shot dead an enemy soldier (or any human). The no of enemies you kill is really low actually, you can see the troops’ strength and enemy casualty in most wars/battles/skirmishes except the ones related to WWs to see this stat. Most casualties are due to the heavier weapons such as machine gun fire or artillery than in direct shootings. They are not trained to act in a limited way but the actual instances when they have to react lethally is really low. Anyways, based on my talks with them, I do understand the enormous pressures a soldier faces but your comparison of the Bengaluru incident with the Marines killings is completely wrong. The former was an intrusion, the boy had entered restricted premises. The latter was unprovoked and took place in open waters where no one owns anything. That incident got that coverage due to appeasement politics of India otherwise it was perfectly ok to shoot that boy dead. Unless there is proper ground to act, a person has no right to attack another person. The Marines had no reason to attack, they were just being paranoid (or recklessly arrogant).
The last line of your comment is really the worst of all comments I have read here. We i.e India are NOT looking for trouble elsewhere. How can you say so? Trouble is needlessly being forced upon us even with no provocation. What can we do in such cases? What should we do? What would a powerful state do? Do you not think think that if we are alert enough and seen as scary enough then trouble won’t ever come to us from elsewhere to become “enemies closer to home”? Forget about everything else I have said, I request you to just read and re-read the prev line here…
Take Care.
Ullu Banati
March 15, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Which company do you work in? is the first letter A, I or T?
Sar Casm
March 15, 2013 at 11:43 pm
@ Everyone : I’m absolutely with Ullu Banati here. We need more people like him . I finally see someone here with a spine. Indians have become so complacent with anything that goes on regardless of whether its fraud on a mega scale, violation of human rights or international stand offs like the one here with the Italians. It unfortunately describes us as a spineless nation and people to the rest of the world and our getting on forums like these and getting into in-depth arguments about how each other feels about the others’ expression of the issues will not help much on the real front other than the fact that we may be able to churn up enough emotion and awareness of a few more people or maybe organize protests or take some other kind of collective action and set the ball rolling in the right direction or so. Even that fizzles out because the attention span of the average Indian is that of a fruit fly . Some people are just out to use the forum to demonstrate their writing skills and diplomacy . The time for diplomacy is over, I think it’s time Indians woke up and took a firm stand on these issues rather than have the generally pathetic attitude of “well none of OUR people are involved ” . Who then are the Indians if they are not YOUR people. Are you gonna wait till it happens to your family before you will take some type of action or run around looking for help from others and why should they join you in your misery when you weren’t there for theirs. I have lived abroad most of my life and been back in India for about 16 years now and I can tell you for as far back as I can remember and in as many places as I have lived Indians are seen as a spineless lot ( even the Pakistanis are seen as more bold ). They are seen as cunning people who don’t mind taking risks on the sly as long as they make some gain for themselves even if it means destroying the reputation of their own countrymen. Why am I speaking about this , you might ask . How is it connected ? Well it’s the exact thing that goes on within the country as well . “Why should I get involved he/she is not from where I am or politicians are corrupt and that’s the way it is here” and so on. I find Indians pretty racist while they’re here or abroad too . Here they discriminate against their own people and abroad they discriminate against their own people where they stand to gain and even against their host citizens but don’t waste any time kissing their asses when they want something . Politicians are corrupt because they know they can get away with it they know their citizens won’t bother.They know what you’re made of. At the most after a few day of it being made a noise about we go will go to the next issue and they will go on to make their deposits in the Swiss bank. I wouldn’t doubt it one bit if our govt. took money from the Italians to let this one slide. They don’t care about the poor fishermen, why should they when you the people who elected them into office don’t. ” Fuck those poor bastards , lets make some money off this deal too and we’ll give them a little something to keep them quiet ” they’d say .
This brings me to Ullu’s friend :) Vipul’s comment. That they have agreed to take their compensation and have no problems if the Italians weren’t sent over. How would they Vipul? They’re fisher folk trying to survive , they can’t put up a big fight against anybody and wouldn’t even know how to against our govt. To them, yes, the case may be closed . They can’t make their dear ones come back and the money they got probably betters their lives a little but that is not the issue. That does not relieve our govt. from pursuing it and making sure their responsibilities in protecting their citizens and ensuring justice where they were violated is taken care of. We need to be angry , get angry and act angry , through words and action to ensure justice. I understand every war has what we might call collateral damage and even in that case it’s not justifiable. This was not war. This was a case of young, irresponsible and trigger happy bastards killing innocent fishermen. Could it have been an error of judgement? I’m not an expert to determine what happened on the open sea and what the Italian military’s protocol is but I’m sure every military in the world has enough equipment to at least make a better-than-layman’s determination of the perceived threat before they act. Military or not whenever a man is armed with of without the power to carry a weapon it is his responsibility to use it with the utmost restraint. I know because I use to carry a weapon a long time ago when I worked as a taxi-driver in Chicago ( because the job was very dangerous many drivers carried a weapon but you rarely heard about it being used and never saw it ). Even though I wasn’t really authorized to do so I used it with the greatest restraint and I knew many others there who did.It is a very powerful feeling to carry a weapon, let alone being authorized to . With great power comes great responsibility and at the end of the day these Italian Marines are responsible for what they did, unintentional or accidental or as a judgement of error ( but how do you do that unintentionally or accidentally or make an error of judgement there – it’s not like they would have looked like some pirate boat through the navy ships telescopes or binoculars or that the place was too crowded with boats and they meant to hit another and missed, like by a mile or that the Indian fishermen were flying the pirate flat for some crazy reason) and they need to be brought to justice for it and if they had to go to prison it should be in India. This is nothing but a game being played by our spineless politicians to fool the public. How do we know that the govt. had not unofficially told the Italians to not return the Marines and is just using it as a reason just like they did according to Wikileaks with the David Headley case . Telling the U.S govt that we’re only asking for his extradition to appease our public ( in other words you can keep him there we’re not really interested in getting him back here. We cannot afford to be complacent anymore, we must act , we must provoke others to and bring about collective effort and we must never forget. Sonia, Quattrochi, the Italian Marines .You think there is no connection? They’d be laughing at us all, over some nice wine and pasta, probably even over our posts. So stand up and fight for what is right, hold your responsible for what happens and issues like these will gradually come down. But there is urgent-and-important and not-so-urgent-but-important so while we put in some mechanism for the the latter the former needs attention now , needs action now ( like the Delhi rape case – while we fight for more policing , stiffer laws and penalties , what do we do about protection now, what do we do about violators now , I see buses and cars still driving around with very dark tints on even now , we’ve forgotten too soon, till the next big headline hits us – Indians don’t learn their lesson that easily, not till the issue comes home, to their homes )We have to keep reminding ourselves of the issues of the past to ensure that they do not happen again. I agree with measures suggested by Ullu in his post. Hit them where it hurts and it takes us to make our govt. do that.
Thanks Ullu , keep up the good work . It was the first time for me on theunrealtimes.com and this topic was definitely more interesting because of you.
Santosh
March 16, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Oh somehow I missed this comment of yours. Thanks for your comment and your support. I am sure we have more people like you (and me) but most of them are in th silent majority. People like Vipul and The Soldier are a bit vocal but have no real support at the root level. I would love to see such people becoming more and more marginalized till they are eliminated. These people are too scared to get aggressive. I am sure if you give them a gun to shoot at the enemy they will piss in their pants.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 2:39 pm
What the heck is Going on !! Shame
Pragnesh Tavadia
March 15, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Dude Ullu Banati,
1. If you see carefully, I have NOT referred to you in point no. 1 in my 1st comment.
Therefore, the ‘challenge’ is not valid. Sigh.
2. I just wanted to say that UT aims at providing an ‘alternate perspective’ and not to ‘make fun of grave events’.
3. Im a bit of a ‘showoff’. Perhaps that was the reason why some parts of the comment were ‘philosophical’.
4. Followup of your solutions:
A. Arresting the Italian envoy? He is mere puppet in hands of the Italian high command. Not very keen on this.
B. Points 2 and 4 are very valid, though India will be more affected, I think.
C. Point 3 is not at all a valid solution. I hugely condemn it. Stereotyping all Italians as lairs? (im not an Italian sympathiser)
Imagine, a Italian remarking ” A woman raped in their national capital. Horny bastards all the Indians”. Would you endorse it?
Do point out fallacies in my opinions, if any, you feel .
@vipul : Voting, i consider it as a lame joke. Sorry, i dont agree. I would vote only for the guy, NaMo. Do read the following paragraphs to know why.
Somebody just told me, that karnataka electoral turnout is 22%. As a true blue Kannadiga, i tell you why.
Would you vote for a person, who was caught watching porn inside the assembly, while it was in progress?
Would you vote for a person, who has illegally acquired huge chunks of land, languished in jail, still commands huge clout?
Would you vote for a person, who has an affair with an actress, even having a child with a woman younger by 30 yrs, when he is married and living with his wife?
All the parties here are total waste. Crooks, all of them . Utterly disillusioned. Would you vote for people who associate with parties supporting the aforementioned individuals?
Wait, there are some people with a cleaner record. Lets see what he did
when the state was reeling with drought, there was absolutely no water in central north karnataka. The minister allowed money to temples to conduct poojas while they could have been used to provide water for a fortnight. Logic?
The Karnataka situation is a grave one. I have no hope.
*****
Sorry UnReal Mama, for wasting this space with slightly non article related content.
The Ultimate CSK fan
March 15, 2013 at 2:20 pm
The Ultimate CSK Fan:-
1. I think this whole thing started when Vipul commented on a comment of mine that talked about how I still felt angry even after reading a good satire by a talented satirist like Ashwin. Thus, when you try to justify why this article was written or published and tell us about the judgement of Unreal Mama, it would be natural for me to feel it was pointed at me. If not then no big deal. Let it rest.
2. Never denied that. A big fan of URT and esp Ashwin myself.
3. Philosophy is good but it has to end in something tangible. We live in a real world, not in a matrix.
4A. Immaterial whether he is a puppet or not. He lied in the court and so has to pay the price. Kasab was a puppet too, so was Afzal. Were they both not hanged (apparently)? By your logic, we should let go the puppet and we can’t catch the main perpetrators anyways, so should the matter die? The way I see it, it was a case of two paranoid soldiers opening fire at unarmed innocent unaware fishermen. There were only two people guilty at that time. Now we have the envoy as well as Italian Govt who are guilty too. Now the problem has escalated manifolds. It was avoidable but now we got to deal with it else it is like someone stealing our (worn) underwear in a mall and running away.
4B. In 2011, Indo-Italy trade was less than 1% of India’s GDP. Ofc 1% is still a large no in absolute figures but there is always some price to assert yourself. It really won’t go that far actually. The Marines will return a lot before anything degrades too much.
4C. Actually that should be our preferred tactic, we have always been poor at PR historically. The Delhi gang rape case was not done by a national agency. It was done by bad elements. We are not saying All Italians are trigger happy killers just cos two of them killed our people, even though they were state actors and were on duty. Acts of individuals are not the basis here. It was an Italian envoy who was representing the state of Italy in India who gave a sovereign assurance to our court. It was a matter between Govt of Italy and Govt of India. This just can’t be compared to the delhi gang rape case. What an individual poster says on URT for a does not mean anything. But an article published on URT and written by a established, reputed URT author does mean their official line. If the Envoy of Italy and the Govt of Italy are lying then saying that the Italians cheat is stating the obvious. Not only this, keep in mind that when a person lies in a court then he is labeled as a perjurer. Thus, he officially becomes a lier. The Envoy did just that. He is an official lier. Why should we not tell the world that thing?
Regarding the rest of your comment, who was watching porn where? I am sorry, I don’t know. (I mean I do know but to me it is based more on a pipe dream than on real facts). I could be wrong/uninformed though.
It is your way of thinking and you can free to do so but why focus so much on individuals? There are bad peanuts in every pack. You are not a bad guy if you have bad breath, are you? A system does not become unfit cos one or two parts in it are not working as they should (unless they were critical parts that can’t be replaced). There are bad guys at the top, in the middle and at the base in all such systems. But there are good guys too, in all these places. I would take a system where the good guys are winning or likely to win over the bad guys. A perfect system does not and will not exist. Also, I would not combine moral issue with issues of governance. A person could be having 10 affairs and 20 children but if he is genuinely focused on taking care of my people and takes good timely decisions then in my eyes he is a good leader though he may be a bad husband. You won’t vote for a person if he says he is a great cook but a bad leader and I guess you would still vote for a person even if he says he is a poor singer but cares for his people. Some issues are about ethics which keep on changing and in any case do not affect us directly. Singing/Cooking/Loving etc.
One final thing, a Kannadiga, a true blue one is not a RCB fan but a CSK fan !!
Ullu Banati
March 15, 2013 at 5:46 pm
At the outset I wish to emphasize one thing – that I hold no cudgels on anyone’s behalf or I support the Italians. It is far from that. I am just a soldier who is expressing my opinion on this issue.
Ullu Banati: It appears that your impressions about the job of a soldier come from what you have heard. So I would disregard the statement about the low casualty factors using small arms fire. Real scenario is vastly different. Every soldier is trained to kill – period. That comes with the job. And we are trained to obey orders without question. In a battle front it may be easier to target your enemy. But in some situations where you operate close to civilians and some of them turn out to be hostile, you don’t have the luxury of hindsight to shoot or to wait. It is easy to sit before the computer and talk rabid – safely ensconced and cocooned in comfort.
It is not necessarily an act of war that these Marines committed against India. They just jumped to the wrong conclusion and acted in haste. It happens all the time in international arena. A US missile ship shot down an Iranian civilian airliner mistaking it for an enemy fighter many years ago. The Americans paid compensation of course – but the officer responsible for the act was just discharged from his duties. Split second decisions have to be taken to protect your assets and your country. Some can go horribly wrong. We are humans too.
My view is we have enough terrorists and enemy elements closer at home. The trouble with most of us – we miss the big picture and rave about small issues blowing them out of proportion. We are very parochial and narrow minded – about our different languages, caste, creed and regions. If we had been united and rallied around important issues that affected us – we would never have been so soft and vulnerable.
The Soldier
March 15, 2013 at 6:44 pm
The Soldier:-
No one actually said that you can’t express your opinions. Feel free to say (or not to say) anything here. I don’t own this place. Ashwin will tell you or me when to stop if he feels like.
The second paragraph of your reply is really disappointing. I genuinely expected something better from you. You have appropriated the very things I had said and then hastily and falsely concluded that I am just talking rabidly on my computer? Allow me to examine your poor second paragraph in some detail please …
I myself had said that what I was going to say was based on talks I have had with my acquaintances who have served or are serving in the defense forces. You said the same thing in diff words so what was your point in being repetitive? I said that actual mortality rate due to direct firings is quite low actually and you said nothing in reply except disregarding it. Wonderful. I said the soldiers are not trained to act in a limited way and you said they are trained to kill and your tone was such as if you were giving me new information when you were merely repeating my own point. Wonderful. I had said nothing about the collateral damage that occurs when army troops are involved in a conflict in a civilian place but I did say that I was aware of the enormous pressure a soldier faces and I guess with my overall tone here, anyone can see that I was actually supporting our soldiers and was aware that collateral damage would happen and that there is usually little time to fetch explicit orders to open fire when something suddenly flares up. You should have either deduced this or asked me to make my position clear. Thus, your somewhat patronizing tone hurts when you accused me of being rabid. You don’t even care to read my comments properly and then accuse me of being this and that? Like I said, you have disappointed me. I was hoping for a more substantial reply from you. You anyways did not clarify about something I asked you pointedly in my prev reply to you. Ample proof of your focus here.
Your third paragraph is even more disappointing actually. I cannot understand why you think what USA did to Iran should be seen as a gold standard by India. The key difference in the two cases is that in the first case, Iran did not capture the US Navy ship and the crew while in the second case, India did capture the ship as well as the crew. Iran could have done nothing unless it had the crew in captivity and in any case, those were the days of the long expensive Iran-Iraq war and Iran perhaps had no resources left to handle another front. Not only did India release the Italian Ship (understandably as it was a merchant vessel and not a naval vessel), India also allowed the accused to go home to celebrate Christmas, allowed them to go home to cast important votes and thus kept losing every single thing of the whole case. I say it again, the insult here is twice over. Firstly someone can kill our men recklessly. Whether it was an error of judgment or a false positive or hasty/clouded decision making should not matter to us. We lost our people god damn it. And no my dear, such cases do not happen ALL THE TIME. They are rare and when they do happen, they generate a lot of controversy. I bet no one in Iran in those days ever said that “Hey guys, lets not over-react. It was an error of judgment by US Navy, we should focus more on Iraq which is a bigger problem much close to our home”. This is a third layer of insult actually. Our own men, our own supposed soldiers are happily aligning with the anti-side and saying that we are being rabid. Terrible. The second layer of insult is the fraud of the Italian Envoy. But it seems none of this really matters to you. I am not saying that our soldiers should be mad-as-hell and be in their killer-mode at all times but I certainly have seen that the ones I know are more aware and are more empathetic of such issues cos they have seen much of it first hand. Can’t say about you though.
Your fourth paragraph is abysmally disappointing. I can’t believe you wrote all that. Is India’s image globally not a BIG ENOUGH picture for you? You are saying we are blowing a small issue out of proportion? What the hell !! Are you really a soldier or do you just work as an orderly or as a cook in some army mess? Why are you looking at this whole issue from the Italian’s PoV? What is the need of doing that? Why do some of us Indians try to be over-objective and over-impartial? Huh.
Lastly, your last two sentences put me off completely.
I am, a North Indian, a person from Uttaranchal, living in Delhi, deeply affected by the killings of two fishermen I never saw and who belonged to a place 2500 km away from where I live and who spoke a language that I do not speak. I do not know their caste or their religion either. I know nothing about them except that they were Indians who were needlessly shot dead and this is why I am talking about them and you are telling me about being parochial and narrow minded? That we are broken in regions, creeds, languages etc and are not united? Do you even know what being parochial means? It seems to me that you ran out of words towards the end of your comment and so absent mindedly used some clichés to end your comment on a note that is completely at variance at all that I have said in my comments.
PS:- In my prev comment I had asked you something pointedly but you did not answer it. What should I make of it?
Ullu Banati
March 15, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Now you’re abusing the soldier. It’s in very poor taste man. Lost whatever respect I had for you so far.
dj
March 15, 2013 at 8:12 pm
DJ:-
I only listed out the various places where “The Soldier” was wrong in his prev comment. I can’t understand why you would see it as me abusing him. A demonstration of the weaknesses in the other side’s arguments and so rebutting them is by no means the same as abusing him. You cannot be serious. Either this, or you did not read his or mine last comments properly. If you feel bad then I really can’t help it. Would be nice if you can pin-point where I abused him. He made it a point to assert his soldier background here and so if his comments do not seem to be in sync with what we would expect a real soldier to be then it is more like showing the mirror and not abusing him.
I really feel you should have properly read my rebuttal of his prev comment “paragraph by paragraph”. You won’t have accused me of abusing him had you done so.
Ciao.
Ullu Banati
March 15, 2013 at 10:52 pm
“What the hell !! Are you really a soldier or do you just work as an orderly or as a cook in some army mess?”…. “our own supposed soldiers”… completely unnecessary man. You’ve most likely driven him away from this debate with your viciousness. It’s just sad.
dj
March 16, 2013 at 8:23 am
Friend Ullu Banati,
I dont hav much free time, im replying as fast as i can forgive me 4 typos
1.ofc it was directed at u only. Nevertheless i didn’t say it. I smartly tried to defend myself later sorry. Im wrong.
2. Seconded. Im also an author here. My nxt piece will be published just bfore UT 2nd anniversary Apr 9 . As it deals with that only.
3. Im 17.6 yrs of age. I try to sound older by talking philosophy gibberish.
4. Coldblood/errorofjudgement Its 4 d supreme court 2 decide. I hope that marines come back and face trial. ”he must face punishment 4 lying” True. Thanks. I hope he is also not transported to Italy.
4.B, 4C I hate stereotype and racism. My comment was motivated by that.
Dude, i know better abt the politicians here in Karnataka . Anyway, ur opinions are highly appreciated.
Karnataka Porngate, do make a wikipedia search. A link to Google search is given below. Surprised u dont know abt it.
Here is the result of G-search of Karnataka Porngate. There is also a UT article on that, ofc by ashwin. http://www.google.com/xhtml?q=karnataka%20minister%20watching%20porn%20&client=ms-opera_mb_no&channel=bh
WAIT , before clicking on that link,
since his debut, i am a huge fan of dhoni , grew up with him. At the helm . RCB was a Test team In 2008 when IPL was launched. So dhoni in CSK, I stuck to CSK, later editions i didn’t change loyalties. Even though im True Blue konkani speaking kannadiga, I love CSK team, esp dhoni, raina, morkel, bravo. Not sure abt jadeja.
Thanks dear Ullu Banati, you are as frank as myself. I do hope u consider me as ur friend. :) do reply, If u feel like.
The Ultimate CSK fan
March 15, 2013 at 8:07 pm
I am a great fan of MSD too and feel he is one of our most precious assets. Too many people hate him for no specific reason except that he is famous. CSK is my fav team too actually even though I should be a DD fan.
I got a cousin just your age and he is real devil in his acts. I had no idea you were so young. Always great to see that the next generation of India is so much in tune with the current affairs. My cousin is full time into gaming, sports and photography.
I knew about that Karnataka porngate but I meant that it was in my eyes a trick by media. There was no real porngate actually. The MLA’s were looking into a mobile screen and this was shown as MLAs watching porn by the news channels. It is near impossible to say what they were looking at by a footage taken of a tiny mobile screen from a distance of 90-100 feet and even that footage had the screen blurred. Very similar to Varun Gandhi’s hate speech case that turned out to be a dud after all.
Anyways, I enjoyed talking to you. Will eagerly wait to see your next article. I got some rough work of mine too but beyond one draft, I don’t have the motivation to work on them further. By the time I do decide, the news becomes stale. :-(
Take care and have a great time. Ciao.
Ullu Banati
March 15, 2013 at 11:14 pm
IPL in this..sigh…no1 talks about HPL… just because of NaMo you are trying to justify the stupid antics of the BJP MLAs..+ u’ll find Varun Gandhi’s speech on youtube if you would take the effort. Time to realize that 80% of politicans are crooks… Everyone just needs to vote for the right candidate..
Sar Casm
March 15, 2013 at 11:50 pm
Sar casm:-
Whatever I am saying comes from an informed background. I am fully aware of the entire Varun Gandhi hate speech issue and I say that it is you who is not awarea bout the details of the case. The so called speeches of Varun Gandhi on youtube have been seen by me a long long time back and I frankly did not find anything wrong in what he said. What is wrong in saying that “Jo haath Hinduon ki taraf uthega uss haath ko varun gandhi kaat dalega”? How is this a hate speech or an anti-muslim speech?
But all this becomes a moot point cos Varun Gandhi has already been declared as not guilty by the court in this case. The news channels which repeatedly showed the hate speech of Varun Gandhi for days and weeks showed his acquital news as a minor news, I don’t think any news channel had any discussion over this. What is shocking is that the acquital was cos the court found that the so called hate speech that you wanted me to find on youtube were declared doctored by the court. Isn’t this then a case of making controversy out of nothing?
I did not try to justify the acts of Karnatak BJP MLAs due to NaMo. The case in itself is fishy. I wish you had read my comment once again. If I take a picture of you while you were looking in your mobile screen and then say you were watching porn while you were actually looking at a wedding pic how would you feel? The screen is so small and a pic/video taken from a distance can’t be conclusive. What is wrong in what am I saying? Point it out please. Do not merely repeat the media news.
I am sorry for my long posts but I need words to point out the flaws in an argument that I am handling and then have to present my own argument. This takes twice as much space as merely repeating my argument without explaining its basis. Otherwise I would end up saying “You are wrong there”, “You do some research please” etc (just like you did here to my comment).
Ullu Banati
March 16, 2013 at 12:18 am
@thesoldier @ullubanati So many views coming in, my dull brain gets all the more muddled. Im NOT going to comment again on this marines page.
The Ultimate CSK fan
March 15, 2013 at 8:39 pm
*clears throat*
I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY
(arey sab log ne itna kuch to bola, mai kyun peeche rahunga? ) :p
God_is_an_aethist
March 16, 2013 at 12:25 am
DJ:-
You find that abusing? Really? He was so loudly showing his soldier background all the time here and yet was talking in a way completely out of sync. I have serious doubts if he really is a soldier. It is easy to come here and say I am this or that. All he did was talk in general about a soldier’s life, stuff that we all usually know and believe to be true. Soldiers are trained to kill blah blah. His final comment here was nothing but a repetition of my own words and usage some platitudes in the end which seemed needless and showed he wasn’t even reading my comments properly. I asked him one thing specifically and he ignored it. What can yo say for him then?
And oh, I am talking about taking action against a liar nation like Italy. He said we are blowing a small issue out of proportion. Even a common man would not say that and he so loudly was saying he is a soldier. Saying that I was talking rabid, is that not abuse? He does not even know the full issue of the Marines and was comparing this to a US-Iran conflict 26 years old.
I had said earlier, anyone who does not see this issue as a major major issue, an issue that is an insult to India twice over really does not deserve any respect. He has NO self-respect. To say I am abusing him is wrong. How can a person say I am insulting him when he does not find the Marines’ issue a major issue and an insult to all of us Indians?
He was out of words even in his last comment. He will again try to rephrase my own words and use some platitudes to present a modicum of a comment. He wasn’t debating much anyways. Undoubtedly he is reading all this but realizes the horrible stand he has taken and the sheer lack of arguments to defend it. Or he will come up with silly stuff like let’s get our voters card to solve this Marines’ issue Ha Ha. I do not expect him to come again here.
Take Care.
Ullu Banati
March 16, 2013 at 11:26 am
About time you shut up.
SickOfTrolls
March 16, 2013 at 11:57 am
What is your problem? Who the hell are you to tell me to say or not to say anything? Go find the real meaning of troll before you use it you ignorant pathetic sucker. Idiot guy. Huh.
Ullu Banati
March 16, 2013 at 2:33 pm
how r italions r we eccept one italion in higher /greater post
so do believe s g
choudhury
March 16, 2013 at 12:30 pm
I have noticed that posting comments as replies actually makes them less visible. So I am posting this one as a new comment and not as a reply. This is a long reply cos I need to establish a few things here about the Marine’s case. That takes space.
Santosh:-
Thanks for your comment, your support and your opinion. I am shocked at the refusal of some of these guys esp Vipul. They refuse to realize the insult this issue has caused to us. A fellow by the name of “The Soldier” and who kept reminding us about his army background said that we are blowing a small issue out of proportion. It would actually please me to see these kind of spineless people shot dead. Call be blood thirsty but we are seen as soft because we have these kind of indecisive cowards who can neither observe correctly not deduce quickly not follow faithfully. We absolutely do not need such jokers among us.
Vipul:-
First you had a problem with how and how much I was reacting and with my analogies. I explained them to you and told you that this was a very natural reaction from me and asked you how would you react if your sister was raped and you were paid money in compensation. Instead of answering this direct question (that arose cos you refused to see that original issue as your own issue) you hurriedly tried to divert the direction by saying the DSP Murder case worried you more. I told you that while it may be an imp issue the current issue is a serious issue too that demands us to react. Then when you had no other argument left you questioned my very right to react and instead you asked me to not react but come up with a solution. I did precisely that and what do you do? Your inherently dumb mind and biased eyes meant you were incapable to grasp the various solutions and instead you called it bakwaas, immature and theoretical. If you meant what you said then you would have handled each of the proposed solutions and pointed out the problems in them instead of dismissing them in 4 words flat. It is extremely interesting to note that you gave all of us here ample proof of your profound idiocy by saying that we can solve this Italian Marine problem by getting our voter cards. Bravoooooo. You’ve just won the Diggy Prize for 2013.
After changing the point of debate here many times, you again did that by saying that actually you meant what we-the-individuals should do, not the govt. Duh. You are expecting the individuals to play a direct role in an issue between two sovereign nations? You’ve just won the Shinde Prize for 2013 as well.
I want to tell you that I don’t need to read some other article or borrow or steal ideas from elsewhere to see how we should react in the current scenario. You see, all those who are genuinely aggrieved with this issue will think in similar/identical ways. It is people with infinite idiocy, such as you who have different opinions.
I don’t have a problem with multiple opinions per se. That is a good thing actually. What I am strongly against is when people refuse to see the basic facts and want us to waste time on needless debate about the facts instead of debating on finding ways to deal with those facts. My basic problem with you is that you think getting angry in the current case is over-reacting. The moment you say that, you make your prone to contempt and leave yourself open to counter questions, question that you are incapable of understanding and answering.
If people in your office are ROFLing at my comments then I can very well imagine what kind of office you work in. You have my sympathies in that case. It also shows that you are basically an insecure person who has to rely on others to feel good. On your own you are nothing and you had to seek your teammates support to feel better after receiving heavy insult at my hands here (Others have dealt with you like this too here, shows how the people here see you – as a joker). Remember one person here had called you a duffer? Bravo, time for another award for you.
And since you want to talk about motive etc and give me a “fyi”, there are a few things I have to say for that…
Basically, this whole issue started with 2 manslaughters. Two Indian fishermen were shot dead by two Italian Marines. In the barest terms this is the case (if we do not do away with the nationalities of the person involved). Time, place, circumstances will come in later. Not even the Italians deny that their men shot dead two Indian fishermen. Their sole defense is that they perceived these Indian fishermen, who were on a small fishing boat, to be notorious Somali Pirates. They have NO defense other than this (except an initial half-hearted one where they had said they had acted in self-defense cos the so called pirates had shot at them first). Whether this manslaughter is a murder or not will depend on how solid their perception is. And it turns out that there perception was completely wrong. They admit it themselves. Clearly, this is not more than mere manslaughter. I hope you agree till here. Now, because it is proven to be a case of more than just manslaughter, should the accused not be punished? Who in the right mind will say that they should be able to go? And if the Italian Marines should not have been released and yet India allowed them to go on the basis of promises made by Italy that these Marines will come back after a certain no of days, should India (& Indians) not feel angry and cheated when these Marines do not come back?
Talking about legal things, a crime is said to have these elements:-
1. Human being (the actor of the crime).
2. mens rea (state of actor’s mind).
3. actus reus (actual act/event of the crime).
4. Damage (to a human being or to an asset whether tangible or not)
This act of double manslaughters obviously has the first and the fourth elements. In fact, the third element of actus reus is present too, the two Italian Marines did shoot at the fishermen after all, 15 times in total.
Whether the Marines are guilty and the extent of their guilt will depend on what kind of mens rea the marines had at the time they shot at the fishermen.
To shrug off the severity by saying it was just an error of judgement will just not work. Why? Cos the facts show that the Marines had insufficient evidence to perceive the fishermen as Somali pirates. The vessel of the fishermen was very unlike the ones Somali Pirates use. There was no attempt by the fishermen to attack the Italian ship. The Italian Ship’s captain could not show any bullet marks that they initially claimed were shot by the fishermen at the boat. The Italian ship’s captain was unable to provide any proof (by means of any ammunition register) to show that the Marines fired any warning shots or used any light and smoke signals to warn the so called pirates not to come close. It is clear that not only did the Marines not have any substantial basis to perceive the fishermen as pirates, they also did not take enough steps to avoid any possible confrontation. In fact, the Marines were almost eager to fire at the fishermen. Thus, it is not error of judgment but negligence on part of the Marines that caused these deaths. Mens rea is also established by this omission by the Marines. Hence their crime is AT LEAST that of “Manslaughter by Gross Negligence”.
I say “AT LEAST” cos it can be argued that even if the fishermen were indeed Somali Pirates, they had not done anything to provoke the Marines and so the Marines were wrong in firing at them. There was no firing from their side and no other action or suggestion that they intended to hijack the Italian Ship or to do any other sort of damage to it. Thus, it is highly questionable why the Marines chose to open fire at the so called Pirates. It was open sea, no one owned it and anyone could have been there. Even if the Somali Pirates are generally believed to be bad guys, the Marines had little basis to conclude that A) These were def Somali Pirates B) These Somali Pirates had been involved in sea-crimes in the past and C) These Somali Pirates were intending to or about to hijack their ship. Even if a person is a criminal, his mere presence in a place is not sufficient ground to shoot him dead. A Diligens Paterfamilias i.e a A Reasonable Man would not hastily conclude that a given group of some men on a rudimentary boast near the coast of India ought to be Somali Pirates whose area of activity is actually a lot further away. A reasonable man would not decide that the best way to handle the situation would be a direct attack on the suspected Pirates. Even if a reasonable man feels he has to take proactive actions cos these people look like Pirates, he would still keep in mind that he could be wrong and so would not use deadly force but only a show of strength to scare them away or to buy some time so as to make better assessment of the situation. Thus, one can argue that the Marines really had no basis in shooting even if the people were Pirates as they made no attempt of any kind to pose any kind of threat to the Italian Ship. Thus, the marines were wrong in shooting at the Pirates yet they fired at them with an intention to kill them. It turned out that the people were actually innocent fishermen. Legally, this means there was a Transfer of Intent when the bullets meant for Pirates actually hit the Fishermen. Transfer of Intent is a valid basis to call a homicide a murder. Fyi, lack of motive does not necessarily mitigate a crime but presence of a motive def aggravates the severity of the crime.
There was no crime when the bullets left the guns of the Marines on the ship. The exact place where this crime took place was the boat owned by Indians. The crime took place near India, in its Exclusive Economic Zone. Because Indian people were killed and the crime happened on a boat owned by Indians and near India, India has a stronger claim over trying the Marines for the crime. Italy has either no claim or weaker claim here. Thus, the Marines ought to be tried in India for the crime. Money for Human Life is not a recognized argument in any modern court of law. No amount of money can allow a man to escape trial.
From whichever side one looks at this case, India has a very strong case. Italy worsened its case when it first promised and took the Marines to Italy and then reneged from sending the Marines back to India for the Trial. If the first crime was not enough to make ones blood boil then the second one surely must. That you still can’t see how serious this whole issue is, is huge proof of you either being an idiot or a coward or a traitor.
Amazing that even after so much, you still can’t see how this is starkly similar to how we allowed Anderson to escape India in 1984? I can establish that too here but it would only lengthen an already long reply to a total idiot like you. Forget it all for a moment, I ask you once again, if someone rapes your sister whether due to an error of judgment or targeting her specifically and then offers you money, would you take that money and let that rapist go away? Just ignore everything here and answer this thing pls.
As for the “The Soldier” if one reads mine and his comments carefully then one will find that I actually gave more on-the-field info than him. He said he was a soldier and you believed him? Just how gullible are you? This is why people keep fooling you. We have jokers like you in the govt and this is why they were fooled too by the Italians. The Soldier was unable to offer anyting substantial to actually show any ground experience except saying one or two clichés. He made a few points which no one had contested and a few others which were needlessly mentioned just to make his comments look better. I assert that he was a fake and not a real soldier. I replied to him rebutting him para by para. You call that belittling? Tragic is when a so called soldier says we are blowing the death of two of our men out of proportion. Comical is when he accuses me of being parochial and narrow minded and caught up in creed and race and language when in fact a North Indian is supporting a South Indian. If you were serious then you would have seen this idiot soldier was incapable of even understanding my position and was merely saying things for the heck of it.
Your very last paragraph in your last comment shows you too are confused, have no meaningful things to say here and are only saying stuff to suit your ego which anyways is inflated and misplaced massively. Why do I say this? Look, in the beginning of your comment, you said I had borrowed ideas from some other articles I had read and was not offering my own ideas here. And in your last para you say that I am a know-it-all troll. If I am a know-it-all then I won’t be reading other articles, would I? One of these is correct and so you are proven to be incorrect and confused. Shame on you. You say anything you fee like just to suit your shaky opinion while I say things which are based on solid facts and solid deductions. I called you a coward and impotent cos you do not see this issue as a major issue. This is your reality. I wonder what your mother things of you, she must be cursing her for producing a complete sucker like you. I bet she does not know if she produced a boy or a girl or a eunuch. In fact even a eunuch has more anger and passion for his country.
Forget about NaMo. He is not confused like you. He does not need confused people like you. We can do very well without you. In fact I would want people like you to stay away from those who want to do something for this county. I would be very pleased if people like you are removed altogether, in any which way from India. If you can’t feel for our dead people then why should I feel for people like you who may look like alive but are actually dead inside.
Do one thing, just shut up. You do less damage that way. We are sick of you here. Ask your office people to lock you up in the washroom. You have won the prize of Douchebag of the year, decade and century. Mr. Raul will give that to you soon. Now just shut up.
What an idiot this man is, I had to type so much to make everything clear to him and I am sure he still wouldn’t have got it. How do I find a guaranteed way of dealing with this man’s infinite idiocy?
Ullu Banati
March 17, 2013 at 7:33 pm
Yawnnnnnnnn…
Post an executive summary of your crap as well, will ya? Nincompoop.
Vipul
March 17, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Vipul,
I was anyways not expecting you to grasp it. You see, things have become too complex and vast for you now. What a loser you are, a real hopeless loser. You yourself can’t come up with anything other than your foolish voter card solution for this issue and then you reject the exhaustive solutions presented by others. You can’t see this issue in its real context and when someone else presents to you the whole context and does an evaluation of it to help you understand it better, you find it beyond your tiny brain’s limits.
Take care asshole. Even as a fool you are pathetic cos you fail to amuse me. You are one of the worst Indians alive at the moment. Take pride in it. Get lost. Please. Have mercy on yourself cos I do not want to insult you anymore, you have copped enough here already.
Ullu Banati
March 17, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Yaar, who has the bloody patience to read so much shit. Searching for useful points among all that needless abuse and sarcasm is like finding a needle in a haystack. Some of us have to work and add to the nation’s GDP you know. Not everyone has all the time in the world to wank on a discussion forum like you’ve been doing all week.
“Exhaustive solutions” – ROFLMAO. You really think too much of yourself, man, way way way too much!
If you can’t say something crisply, then it’s not worth saying at all. Here’s something crisp and to the point for you -> “GO, GET PSYCHIATRIC HELP.”
Vipul
March 18, 2013 at 8:13 am
My god, what a ghonchu you are. You are the King of Ghonchus.
I hail your majesty.
The best way you can add to nation’s GDP is by not working at all, you are a certified idiot now. A mosquito does more for India than a leach like you. It is clear to me that whatever I may say will have no effect on you. You are beyond recovery, you are addicted to your foolishness.
I will pray for you my dear. You need it. You also need hospice services.
Take Care.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 10:48 am
Wow! This Ullu Banati seems to be an out of work wannabe writer! Who else has the time to write so much gibberish and expect it be read on a platform like this. Get a life – seriously!!!
And also, learn how laugh at everything – even yourself!! ;)
Maya
March 18, 2013 at 10:42 am
You want to laugh at this insult Italy has done to India? What rubbish !!
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 11:07 am
Firstly – you need to laugh at the cartoon strip not at the incident itself!
Secondly – this is why I called you a ‘wannabe writer’ – they have not ‘done’ an insult to us, they ‘have’ insulted us! But what can one expect from someone who repeatedly writes ‘anyways’! Wannabe!!!!
Thirdly – laugh at yourself – because you emerge as the biggest fool here! You’re not capable of accepting a polite opposing view. And oh boy, I see in one post that you’ve actually counted your words and mentioned it at the end of the post – only a loser and someone who is so full of himself would do that!! And you’re the BIGGEST of ‘em all.
Enjoy the day loser :D
Maya
March 18, 2013 at 12:02 pm
I am laughing at your silly attempt here to be seen as educated. “Done an insult” is standard usage but your standard is toooo low to talk of standards. You could’t differentiate between the comments on the satire and the ones on the basic issue itself, what a loser!!
It takes a single step to count the no of words but you think one needs to physically count them all. What a backward person you are. It is your problem if you think I am a writer or a wannabe writer. Whatever I am, at least I am not as worse as you or Vipul or The Soldier here. Nobody can be as wasted as you people. Keep objecting to my style and my usage of anyways or my habit of counting the words. People like you can never rise above that. Enjoy your life stuck in that sinkhole.
Talking of the language, how can one be out-of-work as well as wannabe? THIS is your grasp over language? There are indeed some high quality fools here, like you.
Anyways anyways anyways, your comments are too inane. Neither do you know much about the language nor do you have any sense of the situation so why are you making yourself prone to ridicule here? Just keep quiet.
(I leave it to you to count the no of words in this comment. I am sure you would count it mechanically, lol, what a dumbo)
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Ullu banati:
I don’t need a lesson in patriotism from a raving lunatic who has nothing else to do other than purging his venom in excess verbiage in a public forum. ( Just see the number of words you have written).
As for you questioning my credentials in the Indian Army, suffice it to say that I am officer commissioned in the year 1984 and proudly serving my country. I don’t want to bring down the great institution in a free-for-all in this forum – far less to a raving imbecile maniac. I would prefer to face you in person. Perhaps I may have a cure for your psychotic behavior.
You talked of small arms not resulting in much casualties – clearly a sign of pure ignorance. It is automatic rifles like AK 47 which have caused more death and maiming than all the weapons humans ever invented – including the nukes.
My point is we have limited resources – which would be better spent tackling our real enemies than others who slighted us. I don’t like that anymore than you do. But we have to see the bigger things and things in perspective. Thank God we don’t have cretins like Ullu Banati in our Armed forces. But then it takes a lot to become a Soldier.
For the rest of the nice folks here – Sorry my Friends – I need to move on. I am sure the likes of UB will nip long after I am gone. It is unfortunate that we can’t resolve our differences
The Soldier
March 18, 2013 at 10:49 am
Soldier:-
Keep looking for the bigger and larger picture. You don’t even know what makes the larger picture. What can be bigger than India’s image globally? If that is not big enough for you then a smack on your face will be big enough I guess.
If you really are a soldier, though I doubt it, then it would be great if you retire asap. We don’t need trigger happy soldiers in our army but neither do we want blind ones like you.
That you are out of anything proper is clear by your showy usage of vocabulary here, cos now you want to somehow be seen as wise and want to have some ground here. You can’t even grasp the main topic nor can you stick to the little you grasped, I wonder how you cleared your SSB.
Anyways, apart from your random confused mutterings, you said nothing of sense here. With people like you and Vipul among us no wonder India is seen as a soft state globally, but that is if no importance to you. You guys are after the BIIIG picture, aren’t you? Huh.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 11:05 am
Vipul and Soldier, I think you guys need to go back to your pathetic lives now. Go, enjoy your cowardice. I am done with losers like you. I regret wasting so much time with samples like you. You have become more rigid and more blind as time has passed and I do not see any scope of your improvement. I am sick of guys like you and do not want to deal with you any more. Some day your likes will go extinct, that will be a great day for India.
Fools like you have spoilt it and made the whole issue a joke. I am done with this page.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 11:22 am
Good riddance
Ullu Bhaagti
March 18, 2013 at 11:34 am
Good one Ullu Bhagti – bewakoof aadmi lagta hai yeah, bada aaya baakiyon ko gyaan baantne aur ullu banane!!
Ullu in Chullu
March 18, 2013 at 11:45 am
Abbey namune tere ko to waise bhi kuchh samajh mein nahi aaya hoga. To saatvi faii hai pakka, bhag yahan se, jaa aur apne maalik ke kutte ko ghuma ke la.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 1:18 pm
@Ullu Banati – You have a right to be outraged by this episode. As an Indian, I too am outraged. But you don’t have a right to abuse or make personal remarks about people who hold a different point of view from yours. As an Indian, I’m ashamed and disgusted by the abuse and hysterical responses you have directed towards Vipul and The Soldier’s very polite and cogent comments – they have both shown more patience than you deserve in their responses to you.
@Vipul @The Soldier – I must salute you for maintaining your dignity throughout this discussion. Especially you, Vipul, since most of Ullu Banati’s venom has been spewed at you. This person sounds to me like one of those male chauvinists pretending to be a liberal. Why else would he repeatedly get personal with you, try to bring up the possibility of the rape of your sister, when the discussion is with you and not your sister? Why else didn’t he say, for instance, “What if your father or brother had been the victims”? Bet these people don’t realise how they inadvertently show us their true colours. Ignore such sickos but please don’t stop posting comments on the Net because of them. We need more voices of sanity likes yours on the Internet lest the world and fence-sitters in India begin to think that hysterical, uninformed fools like Ullu Banati represent the views of the majority of us Indians.
Ashwini Sugandha
March 18, 2013 at 2:01 pm
The issue, as I understand is:
1) Two humans (incidentally Italian Marines) are accused of killing 2 humans (incidentally Indian Fisher Men) on the high seas, in what prima facie appears like a case of mistaken identity at best or over – reaction at worst.
The Honourable Supreme Court (SC) of India is adjudicating the matter & in its wisdom, allowed the accussed to visit their home country to excercise their right to vote, ON ASSURANCE by the STATE OF ITALY through the Italian High Commissioner, of their return.
In which way was this decision of SC incorrect? I think it is a mature, civilized decision. A High Commissioner represents a country, when a country goes back on it’s High Commisioner’s word in a legal matter, NOT DIPLOMATIC / JOINT MOTHERHOOD / APPLE PIE STATEMENTS, then the country is OFFICIALLY behaving like a ROGUE. How can any court, assume a country, ANY COUNTRY will behave like a rogue, BEFORE it does so? Even Pakistan is much better, ON PAPER, in that it denies, that terrorists sent across are its citizens, the Pakistani goverment, does NOT OFFICIALLY behave like a rogue, even though they are unofficialy world leaders in that area!
In My Humble Opinion (IMHO) the Italian Marines non return incident, has NOT lowered India’s international prestige in ANY WAY or even shown us as a weak state, but just shown the world that Italy’s issues are much deeper than an individual who personally loves Bunga Bunga parties, it is a systemic matter.
If I were any country other than Italy, I would not put out an internal notice as such: “DEAL WITH ITALY AT YOUR OWN RISK”
Finally, India’s SC has decreed that the Italian Ambassador cannot leave India till further notice. What more do we want? Do we want a tight slap delivered to the Italian High Commmissioner by the great CID Senior Inspector Daya? Should he personally kick down the door of the office, while he’s at it? These childish things are entertaining in a TV Serial not in real life.
Argumentative Indian
March 18, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Such a pleasure to see some logic on this page after Ullu Banati’s loooooooong illogical, abusive rants. Thank you Argumentative Indian.
Ashwini Sugandha
March 18, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Argumentative Indian:
You ought to have read a comment of mine here where I had established how this is a case of manslaughter by gross negligence. I am saying that the very fact that Italy reneged on the word of its dilpomat shows how it sees India. It won’t have done that with China for eg. The Marines too won’t have been so reckless in opening fire had they been in some other place. That they did both of these things shows what they think of India.
You should have read my original comment carefully before embarking on that needless analysis of yours. I have nowhere compared the beheading of our soldiers with this issue. What I had said was that that beheading was a grave enough issue and now we have this one. It was not about similarity but about continuity. Yes I have compared the escape of Anderson with the escape of these Marines but had you been aware a bit more about the facts then you would have agreed too. Anderson would have been arrested and tried for the Bhopal Tragedy but he got away before it could happen. Here the Marines had no chane to escape as they were taken by the coastguards and by that time the Media was all over them. This is not 1984 after all. So an elaborate smoke-screen was needed. The Marines were never in jail all this time, they were having a nice life in India for 1 year. It was a charade of captivity for them.
Talking about the SC, the SC can give a decision on the basis of what is presented to it by the two sides. The Italian Marines wanted to go home for 4 weeks, ostensibly for voting. They had also gone home for Christmas in Dec 2012.
Firstly, ever heard an under-trial asking to go home for voting? Do Indian under-trials get that permission? Whether for voting or for Christman, Diwali, Holi,, Eid?
Secondly, why 4 weeks for a day or two’s thing?
Thirdly, the Indian side should have informed the court that in Italy voting can be done by post too. The AG did not say this, making the court feel that the only way the Marines could vote was by going back home. This is a very serious omission by the AG who in turn is appointed by the Govt of India. The AG should have vehemently objected to the whole request itself but at least should have been more aware of the various ways of voting in Italy. He did not do that and once you see this, you need to add two and two together to see how this could be a case of using the facade of SC in helping the Marines flee.
At one place you call Italy as a Rogue State and at another place you wonder what more can India do other than putting the Italian Ambassador under observation. Is that sufficient in your eyes? The kilers back in home and the one who did contempt of court just getting a bit of funny detention? If the law has its way then the Italian diplomat would be arrested after 22nd March and India would take a no of steps in getting the killers back. We had two accused person in the beginning, now we have three.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Whether this is a case of manslaughter by gross negligence is for the H’able SC to establish. Prima facie does not appear as such.
“Firstly, ever heard an under-trial asking to go home for voting? Do Indian under-trials get that permission? Whether for voting or for Christman, Diwali, Holi,, Eid?”
Nope, Indian under – trials get ‘Bail’, UNLESS, the undertrials are suspected of being able to tamper evidence, or jump bail. In the present case since Italy as a country was the guarantor, it is not easily envisaged that the accused would jump bail.
Why 4 weeks? In my limited experience of directly dealing with courts, I do believe their scale of time measurement is weeks, months & years. They gave 4 of the least count units.
For the same case, we don’t have three accused persons at the moment. I don’t know if the High COmmissioner (HC) can be arrested after Mar 22nd, ’13, the status of his diplomatic immunity has to be checked. It is not because the Italian HC is a big shot or small shot, but because we follow Geneva Conventions.
This is not because India is a ‘weak’ state. Plenty of incidents happen on the high seas, some I suspect involving the tough guy ‘China’ as a recepient. There are procedures to deal with such matters.
Your views on the AG, prima facie seem logical.
Argumentative Indian
March 18, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Again the same thing. You are too eager, just like Vipul and The Sodlier to dilute the severity of the issue. I had asked you to read one of my comments here where I had established how this was AT LEAST a case of manslaughter by gross negligence. It seems you were too busy analyzing me instead of reading before commenting. Having the moniker of Argumentative does not mean anything if you can’t bother to read what the other person is saying. Vipul and The Soldier had the same problem too. Vipul asked for my solutions and then did not read them properly and casually dismissed them off. He was not sincere. I hope if you are here then you must be sincere. Please read my comment of “March 17, 2013 at 7:33 pm” to see how it is very likely that the court would say it is manslaughter due to gross negligence.
Please come out of this silly habit of being too technical. It is obvious that Indian under-trials do not simply go home, they ask for bail. Why are you so stuck on usage of common words? Already short of anything more substantial eh? I thought you were argumentative. Whether it is bail or being released on parole or anything else, the main point here is whether Indian under trials get similar treatment in our courts or not. The question of whether the court trusted the word of Italy comes later, the primary question is, why was such a request even entertained? An imp point that the court ought to have seen is that unlike the bails being given to Indian under-trials where they are (usually) not allowed to go out of India, the Italian Marines would have gone out of India and back to their home. Allowing them to go out of our physical control was a serious lapse. I can only hope SC was only naïve in trusting their word and there is nothing more in it. A cynical person would say that why was the word of a person given so much value when it was obvious that the person would face no real problem even if he were not to keep his word. The court could have asked the Marines to find someone else as the guarantor cos the Italian Diplomat was anyways fail-safe.
Just like The Soldier, you merely rephrased my own point and felt as if you have answered it. My question was why 4 weeks at all? Why not 1 week? How much time does one need in total to travel to Italy, cast their vote and then come back provided this was their actual intention. Our court should have been more miserly and our AG should have been more vocal in objecting (if he did that at all).
A while back you were so eager to tell me that in India the under-trials get BAIL. That was a great revelation to me. Now allow me to reveal to you that it is not Geneva Convention but the Vienna Convention that is to be followed here. The Geneva Convention is about inter alia humanitarian behavior of PoWs. The Vienna Convention is about the privileges a diplomat has in other countries. But whatever be the name of convention, why should India follow it? It seems when India is one of the sides then the other side can do anything. Pak does not respect the Geneva Convention and India is too lazy to bring that issue up. Here Italy is blatantly going back on its word and we are talking about Vienna Convention. What can Italy do if we arrest their diplomat? They can’t arrest our diplomats their in retaliation cos they have done nothing wrong. At the moment Italy can allow status quo cos they got their men back and their diplomat is safe anyways. It is India that has to go to ICJ to get justice for the dead fishermen. If we arrest they diplomat and try him for contempt of court then Italy will be forced to move ICJ and find a quick solution. Only then will they be keen to find a solution. At the worst, it will give this whole issue greater international coverage and will expose Italians as liars. India has lost big time already in this case, India can only gain by arresting that liar diplomat.
I am not aware of too many similar incidents. Even if they are then why should we go by what was done there? We can have our own ways, we must have our own ways. No body said (or did) anything when USA attacked Afghanistan or Iraq. No one said anything when USA hunted Osama inside Pakistan. That is what fear is all about. Other nations fear USA and so they grudgingly say yes to whatever it does. USA is not a saint nation but the key point is, it cares for its people and will go to any level to take revenge. India is not USA but we seem to be happy to let go of whatever grip we have over a problematic situation. The worst thing is that some people like Vipul and The Soldier are reluctant to even recognize that we have a problem. If you have problems in how I deal with these people then I got to say you have a huge problem inside your mind too.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Yes it is Vienna, not Geneva Convention as I erroneously mentioned.
Rest of the post holds, you have not added any new facet / logical perspective hitherto not discussed on this forum, incidentally, largely by yourself.
Argumentative Indian
March 18, 2013 at 5:19 pm
I am pretty sure that you did read that comment of mine where I showed how it was manslaughter due to gross negligence but found it to be going over your head.
You were so full of yourself when you first came in and the moment I dealt with each of your silly points you retreated and said I wasn’t adding anything to the debate. How can I add when I am only dealing with your silly points?
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I got so cheesed off by Ullu Banati’s abusive, hysterical posts that in my previous post I forgot to congratulate Unreal Times and Ashwin Kumar for this hilarious spoof. You guys rock!
Ashwini Sugandha
March 18, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Anyone who compares the non – return of Italian Marines to Warren Anderson / Beheading of Indian soldiers has not applied their mind.
1) The Italian Marines are accused of a crime on the high seas / Indian territorial waters (matter under dispute in fron of H’able SC) causing the death of 02 nos. Indians, which may be accidental, no one knows just yet and are facing the LAW. The SC has allowed to go abroad on the basis of an assurance by the Government / State of Italy, through their High Commissioner that the accused would return to face trial.
2) Bhopal Gas tragedy, as per initial reports caused hundreds of deaths (later estimated to around 4000 deaths, directly & almost immediately, followed by many more inderictly and more slowly), ON INDIAN SOIL. The Chairman of Union Carbide at the time was NOT released by ANY Indian Court of Law (as far as I know), he was ALLOWED to FLEE India, BEFORE he could face trial, for what prima facie appeared like a henious crime. The number of deaths also makes a difference, 02 Nos. Vs. 100s say, 800 deaths as was known initially.
Disclaimer: I am cognitively able to differentiate between human tragedy and statistics. So death of just one person, say my father or daughter, would affect me, aggrieve me more personally, than the 4000 deaths of Bhopal, but I can still understand the difference in magnitude.
3) Be – heading of Indian Soldiers: There is no known record (to the best of my knowledge) of accidental beheading of a human by another human, unless in the context of heavy machinery, like say a helicopter blade (bad analogy, can’t think of anything else). Prima facie this appears like a pre – mediated or at least non – accidentaly crime. It is NOT criminal negligence, it is not over – reaction, it is not a crime of ommission, it is a crime of concious COMMISSION. The penalty very likely here is death or at least life imprisonment.
Argumentative Indian
March 18, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Ashwini:
My god. We have these two idiots viz Vipul and The Soldier here who are saying that this issue is a small issue and one is over-reacting if one’s blood boils at it. You find it ok? If this is what you think is the meaning of being polite and civil then something is def wrong with these people and with you.
I asked Vipul if his blood doesn’t boil at this issue (and the subsequent Italian cheating) then when will his blood boil? If he thinks the issue is over with the payment of blood-money then would he accept such an offer if his sister was raped? That is a totally totally natural question. If you can’t see how it comes then you are just like them too. No difference between you all.
The Soldier was anyways bluffing, I caught his bluff and showed how he was talking randomly without even understanding my points. He wants to look at the bigger picture, I wonder what is bigger than India’s prestige. For someone who says he is in the Army, this is a huge contradiction. I would be happy to see such people not among us anymore.
I said it in the past and say it again. This issue is a huge insult to us and every one of us should be angry at it. Anyone who says this is a small issue must be ridiculed and abused. After all, those who do not feel insulted at this public slight should not feel abused if I say a few apt things for their persona and for their family members. Right?
I have a full right to abuse anyone, to any extent possible if he/she says this is a small issue. It would be they who would be over-reacting if they feel bad at my abuses. They anyways had no self-respect to begin with so how can they be insulted?
You and your likes were too busy in maintaining the dignity and civility while the enemy ran away stealing our underwear. Keep doing that. As long as we have people like you our underwear will keep getting stolen. Fortunately people like you are too few among us but unfortunately they all are leading us at the moment.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 2:20 pm
I thought you said, “I am done with this page” at 11.22am. What happened? :) :D
Ashwini Sugandha
March 18, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Ya but some more idiots came in here after that and I thought I should take care of them too. Vipul was gone too a long time back but he came back too. Your biased eyes didn’t see that.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 2:52 pm
I’m not biased at all. You see, Vipul is not abusing anyone. You, however, are abusing everyone who disagrees with you. Therefore I have chosen to target my mockery at you, not at Vipul :) That’s not a bias, dear Ullu Banati, that’s logic – but obviously you wouldn’t understand that! :) :) :)
Ashwini Sugandha
March 18, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Ashwini, I called Vipul cold-blooded, coward and pathetic. He called me rabid and vitriolic. Then you say I am abusing him while he is not. Nice logic my dear.
Please tell me what are you making so much out of it? If I have abused Vipul or The Soldier so what? What is the big deal there huh? These people say that the killings these Marines did are small issues. As Indians, these people do not find it an insult when Italy reneges on its promise to send back the Marines. Clearly these people have no respect to begin with. Therefore, they should not complain when I abuse them too. You said nothing about how these people ticked off this whole issue, you have no problem how these people do not see the larger insult but you you using your god damned logic here to ask me why am I abusing these creatures?
Your logic is amazing. Wow.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Disclaimer: I’m not a psycho analyst.
Pop Psycho Analysis of Ullu Banati:
1) I think this person is a male, between 21 – 25 years age. Educated either in the vernacular or the lesser English medium schools.
2) A person of conservative family background, the parents of the character ‘Ira’, in the above drama could well be UB’s very own. Someone who has grown up with specific notions of right and wrong (as most of us do, I assume) but on growing up finds the world is not actually black and white (again as is common with, I suspect most of us). Here, he finds, corrupt, unscrupulous, unethical people have a blast, till they are caught and tried. In the context of India’s glacial judicial pace, it could mean a corrupt SOB can have a ball for most of his life or perhaps go to jail for a bit, get out on bail and then spend the rest of their lives facing trial. This probably generates frustration at the inustice of the matter.
3) A person possibly brought up to believe India is great. Then finds, that except for Indians hardly anyone else thinks India is great and no one actually fears India. It takes time to realize, that no one thinks country’s other than their own are great, I suspect the average Pakistani thinks they are THE Smartest, coolest and most righteous nation on earth, with US being the most uncivilized and India the poorest :) nation on earth. Also, very rarely do nations fear one another, but that understanding also comes with time and observation. This lack of understanding, equating the personal with the national generates feelings of impotence.
4) A person who probably does NOT have a high paying job. Ties in with # 1 above, and compounds frustration at inability to enjoy life, especially when one is so young.
5) A person who meets conservative girls because of his socio economic structure, who probably won’t flirt because its not common in such scoiety. Ullu Banati, probably is unable to get the time of the day from the girls who are more fun to be around, due to his socio economic background (most important reason), bad English and general levels of frustration / rage (last two reasons trivial, if sufficient money is availabel, all else can be arranged).
6) A person who believes in that Hindus are opressed in India (I speculate based on his comments about Varun Gandhi’s speech, which I feel was essentially directed towards Hindus who are either actually facing direct oppression from Muslims, which may well be the case in some areas and Hindus who feel helpless, which may well be the case in many areas).
7) A person who is personally very likely a coward. There are many ways to rationalize cowardice, including “I have career prospects, cannot get into a street fight”, “I have family …”. The point is getting into street fights is usually not a sign of courage, but rather indiscipline and rowdiness. The ability to stand up is different from the ability to fight.
In all his posts, after the first post, Ullu Banati has attacked someone to himself stand up, his views, after the first expression of outrage, don’t stand on themselves but rather by reflection of his attacks on opposing views / persons with opposing views. Thus I feel he is possibly a coward / bully who needs to yell at others, to reduce the frustration in his mind.
Such outrage / frustration is not common.
The solution I would feel is:
a) Increasing one’s own strengths. First the body with exercise and YOGA. Perhaps learn a good martial art, the ability to fight increases confidence and coolness.
b) Getting a better education than at present. Making more money, eventually.
c) Getting into social groups that may increase chances of meeting interesting girls, who may not find the person below their standards, like say the local housing society Ganeshotsav Committee or Cleanliness Committee or just taking the intiative in some matters. The other alternative is to visit pubs / bars, but that is very expensive (by my miserly standards at least :), ), would require forced consumption of alchoholic beverages and put the person in an environment where he may or may not be either welcomed or feel at home. I would not recommend this to a middle class person.
Cheers.
Argumentative Indian
March 18, 2013 at 2:39 pm
The above analysis of Ullu Banati stands somewhat revised in the light of new data furnished by Ullu Banati vide his reply to one of my earlier posts.
I think he’s just a young man, who is generally angry (as is correct for idealistic youth, historically, globally) but a large part of that anger is based on fact rather than conditoning / displacement.
The foliage of verbiage covers the few flowers of analysis.
Anger is great energy, can be directed positively for great change, as the British who threw out a colored person from a railway compartment in South Africa realized to their cause or used to increase one’s own blood pressure.
Yoga would still be helpful.
Argumentative Indian
March 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm
If anything then it proves that you are a shallow person pretending to be argumentative and heavily judgmental of others. When people run out of arguments and reason, they resort to show-off by objecting too much on trivial issues such as BAIL, minor grammour mishtakes, style of commenting. Above all, they want to save face by using uncommon words or complicated sentences (often copied from elsewhere). They do this because these things are too complex for their own mind and so they think the others will also find them complex and will marvel at their intelligence. Then they want to escape by slyly mentioning some old fable cos they want to be seen as well-read too. I knew that sooner or later you would mention some author or some movie or some such trope to somehow salvage your image here. You do not want to be seen as running out of arguments after all.
You are a physical demonstration of the Law of Triviality. You can handle only trivial things. When things become too complex then you want to run away. Vipul had the same problem too. The Soldier too was totally flummoxed when I rebutted him para by para and he acted as if he was touchy.
Why do you pretend to be what you are not? The one thing you are not is “Argumentative”. You either do not read my comments or rephrase my own comments or fail to say anything worthwhile (except analyzing hastily and foolishly).
So give it a break and just shut up.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 5:43 pm
HAHAHAHAHA! Phenomenal analysis!
Vipul
March 18, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Lol Argumentative Indian, you get a BIIIG lol from me for this comment. One can say anything for anyone but you took it to a whole new level.
Your #1 and #4 shows your colors. It shows how much of a patronizing attitude you have for those who are from a diff background than you. Who knows, may be you yourself are from such a background and can’t think too much beyond it. I guess you yourself have such a family and upbringing and you think all are like that, cos you see all that in yourself all the time..
Your #2 is redundant. We all feel frustrated at what is wrong around us. You are suggesting that those who are brought up in liberal ways do not get see what is wrong around us or do not get frustrated. What a shallow understanding you have of the real world.
Your #3 is laughable. We all think our nation is great. Every person thinks that for his country. If you think that is wrong then you are wrong. Ask the average American what he thinks of a European country or Australia or Japan and then ask him what he thinks of India. Barring the spiritual aspect and the recent economic growth news, we all know what answer we will get. You seem to be totally unaware of a number of issues so what can I say here. There is nothing wrong if I think India was/is/will be great. If you think otherwise then it is you who has a problem not me. Ofc the definition of being great will be diff for dif persons. You don’t even have the notion of it, leave alone the definition.
Your #4 is bullshit. High paying job? Suppose I am making only 10k pm. Does it mean I can’t get outraged? If I had more money then would it make my anger and comments better? Awesome bullshit from you here.
Regarding #5 I think you are talking about yourself here. Like I said, some people can’t think too much unlike their own self, they lack the imagination. You look at yourself and felt I was just like you. You also think that those who have a lot of money or from liberal families or are better educated or are generally from the higher sections of the society are involved with a lot of “frank’ girls cos you think “inke yahan sab chalta hai”. This one point alone is ample proof of what you really are. Argumentative Indian, you were trying to analyse me here but it seems you unwittingly told us what YOU really are. Great great stuff.
Talking about #6, thanks Einstein for figuring that out. Feeling good about stating the very obvious huh?
#7 I see you are here too. I think Vipul was here too. I think The Soldier was here too. What are you then? Coward in real life? On one hand you say that I am a coward in real life and so do not get into street fights and on the other hand you say that getting into street fights is not a good thing. You contradict yourself here. Clearly you are unaware of what real bravery is. Your mind goes straight from debating on the internet to street fights. You just can’t think of any intermediate thing. How poor your ideas here !!
I said it in the past and say it again, if someone can’t see the full gravity of this situation and says we are over-reacting, if some says that we are blowing a small issue out of proportion here then he/she deserves no respect from me, simply because he has no sense of what disrespect is. If you see this as me attacking that someone then Feel free to do so. Call me a bully or a coward or anything, doesn’t affect me one bit. For me such people are dead people and deserve the utmost contempt.
Forget about me, it is clear that it is you who needs solutions, guys like Vipul need it too.
You can’t think beyond money and girls and alcohol. There is nothing wrong about them inherently but it shows you are just a materialistic person. I can bet that you yourself are sexually very frustrated. You think ‘access’ to frank girls is a necessary thing for a man to do well in life. What more do I need to say about you then?
In the process of analyzing me, you ended up getting analyzed by me here. Think of it, I wasn’t even trying, it all happened by default. Talking about me, my education, my background, my financial status is irrelevant here. That you chose to dwell so much on them shows your style of commenting.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 3:56 pm
One needs to revisit Six Blind Men & the Elephant.
Argumentative Indian
March 18, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Sometimes, the messenger by far overshadows the message.
This discussion board is not about India’s reaction and far off about the action of the Italian marines. It is about Ullu Banati’s reaction to the reaction of other posters to Ullu Banati’s reacton (outrage) to the attempt at Satire to the the GOI / SC’s reaction to the Italian Marines’ action.
Hence, I could not resist the urge to psycho analyze:)
Argumentative Indian
March 18, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Yet another proof that you can’t deal with things when they become too complicated. In your attempt to build a funny sequence of events here you lost track of it when it went too deep. My very first comment said I was angry at the issue, not at the satire. I had said nothing about the quality of the satire, neither this way nor that way. You are unable to think that deep. This is what I had told you initially. You started commenting here without knowing the basic context. Whatever I may be in your foolish analysis, you are proven to be a casual and shallow person.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 6:29 pm
QUOTE:
Ashwin, this is one topic upon which no matter how talented one is,once can never make a satire. This is just like Bhopal 1984. This is just like Bofors 1987. If the beheading of our two soldiers by Pak wasn’t enough then this one really makes the blood boil of any Indian whose worth is more than 1 paisa.
Ullu Banati
March 12, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Reply
UNQUOTE
A requisite to successful fabrication is the ability to maintain continuity in the narrative. The challenge has increased in the age of the internet.
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 10:39 am
Reply to Argumentative Indian’s Comment below at March 19, 2013 at 10:39 am
The only challenge I see here is what your mind faces when it has to interpret a simplistic sentence that is unfortunately beyond its ability. You then have to somehow cover up your mind’s severe limitations by making it look like as if it is the other person who has said something wrong. This allows people like you to somehow come up with a reply where they try to defeat the deliberately weakened argument of the other side when in fact the other side had said something much stronger. This is commonly done by those who are incompetent yet argumentative, like you. :-p This is also called Straw Man Tactic.
To make it easier for you to understand, the comment you have quoted here clearly clearly says that while author is a very talented one, the issue of the satire is way too grave to be forgotten in the satire’s fun. It is not about the right Ashwin has or not has to satire something nor is it about my reaction to this satire’s quality but its about about the gravity of the issue not being eclipsed by the comedy of the satire. For an idiot such as you this thing is beyond your brain therefore you should not comment on this any more.
You are not capable of understanding anything that goes beyond nursery rhymes so give it a break and do not attempt any more. Through out this debate you have been doing just this, twisting my comments and writing your foolish comments to them, not reading my comments and then running away from direct debating and commenting on my replies to others and then silently going back to previous threads here and covertly inserting your replies there hoping I won’t see them so that you can present a distorted picture there.
There was/is no fabrication in any comment of mine here leave alone the one you quoted here. Anyone who has studied English to some level will say that I talked about the severity of the crime and not about the comic quotient of the satire. You see idiot, it is difficult for people like you to cheat when the others are far more intelligent than you. :-p
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 1:38 pm
A person twists and turns and ties himself into knots explaining his sentence to all and sundry. Then he claims he is far more intelligent!
At least I have been able to call the bluff sufficiently to make the person explain his stand repeatedly and expose him in the proces.
Argumentative Indian
March 20, 2013 at 4:52 pm
At least I have a stand to begin with. You and your cronies (who are actually you using diff aliases) have NO stand at all.
I can explain my stand several times because it is well thought out and coherent. Question of being tied in knots does not arise cos my stand has remained the same from the beginning, I have not changed it.
It is YOU who first said there was no issue here and then as you talked to me and read my points you started to realize that I did make a lot of sense. So grudgingly, later you started to say the same things in slightly different words. The change in your stand is perceptible. Now all that remains is for you to acknowledge my influence over you.
Till you do that, it is yo who is caught up in the knots of your deceit and dishonesty.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 11:49 pm
Abbe yaaar…..isko to sachhi mein chullu bhar paani mein doob marna chahiye!!!!!!
Thodi der pehle hi to kahaa thha ki waapis nahin aayega, par phirse waapis aagaya!!
Kitna refresh karega yaaarr!!!!!?????
Ullu in Chullu
March 18, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Dear Ullu Banati,
So it turns out that you are not just illogical and unintelligent, you are also a liar.
Vipul’s first comment to you was this: “Don’t you think you are over-reacting? The families themselves have withdrawn the petition against the marines, after they were paid blood money. Apparently they didn’t want the marines to come back the first time they went back to Italy! The government should have disposed off the matter in a transparent manner instead of doing dumb politics on this. And personally I think, it’s a bit too much to compare what is essentially an error of judgement on the marines’ part to Bhopal 1984 and beheading of soldiers.”
You may agree or disagree with him, but could you tell me where he has abused you here?
You, on the other hand, responded by calling him an “asshole”, telling him you would like to “spit” on his face and making a gross personal remark about his “sister” being “raped”. Don’t you see the difference between his dignity and your lack of it?
In case you intend to lie again about your response to Vipul, I’m copy-pasting it here in its entirety: “Vipul – Don’t bother with commenting if you can’t understand the finer analogies. In Bhopal 1984′s case, Anderson manage to escape to USA. In Bofors, Quattrochi managed to escape even after being arrested due to shoody work by CBI, he even got access to his frozen accounts and withdrew all the money. Here on the pretext of going back for voting (for 4 weeks) these Italy marines are now not coming back and all you seem happy about is that they at least paid the victims’ family blood money? Would you react the same way and be happy if person X were to rape your sister and then give her “Honour Money” of Rs 50 Lakhs? How much would you settle for? 1 Crore? 2 Crore? 5 Crore? 10 Crore? How much “payment” would make you feel happy? Shame on you. You are a disgrace. We are a banana republic cos we have assholes like you among us. If you were in front of me right now then I would have spit on your face.”
There are three people here who have been carefully and logically addressing the subject of the Italian Marines: Vipul, The Argumentative Indian and The Soldier. I choose to concentrate on another subject: dignity in public debate. Don’t tell me what I should and shouldn’t comment on. Instead, please wash your mouth, practise some yoga and then go over your posts here to understand why I say that as an Indian I am ashamed to see such abuse and hysteria on a public platform from a fellow Indian.
Ashwini Sugandha
March 18, 2013 at 4:41 pm
So you are saying he did not call me rabid or a lunatic anywhere? Please learn to know things in full before commenting or it is you who is turning out to be a liar here, not me. Talking about logic, yours or his, please tell me how is my hypothetical question to him about his likely behaviour if someone were to rape his sister and then give him money as compensation an abuse? If you can not differentiate between questions and abuses then you are hopeless.
I called Vipul an asshole and you find it abusive? Vipul IS an asshole. He is a total asshole. Any person who says we are over-reacting at this issue is nothing but an asshole.
He says we are over-reacting when someone behaves like this to us and then people like you come here and say I am abusing poor Vipul when he has no respect in the first place.
I reserve my polite words and dignified behaviour for those who deserve it. Vipul has no dignity so to say he talked in a dignified manner is like saying Diggy is a suave politician.
The vacuum in your mind is visible when you say that The Soldier, of all people, is logical/careful here. He said I was being parochial and caught up in language, caste, creed etc when I was in fact talking about INDIANS. Had you read properly then you would have noticed it too. But the tones of logic that envelops your mind means you can’t.
Very very funny that you are ashamed that I am expressing my opinion and anger on a public forum about a serious issue but have nothing to say for the way these idiots like Vipul and The Soldier are happy to ignore the severity of this issue. To top it all, you say they are being logical. Tell me, is kharbooja your fav fruit?
It is me who is troubled that there are assholes like Vipul, illogical persons like The Soldier and kharboojes like you in India. India would be a lot better if the likes of you people were not here (or at least kept their mouth shut).
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 5:25 pm
LOL … ROFLMAO … Thank you once again for proving my point :)
My Dear Liar, I’m not ashamed at your outrage. I’m ashamed at your abusiveness. And you, my friend, were the first to abuse Vipul. Now you cry because he didn’t take it lying down? No thank you for diluting a discussion on a serious issue by diverting attention to your hysteria and abuse.
Ashwini Sugandha
March 18, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Diluting a discussion on a serious issue? Are you really serious? Vipul and The Soldier are saying this is not a serious enough issue, THAT is what started this whole damn thing. On one hand you say this is a serious issue and on the other side you side with those who say this is not a serious issue and then you claim you are logical.
Tell you what, the only thing serious here is your and Vipul and The Soldier’s mental state. Not just serious but it is critical. Please see someone before it is too late. Is it too late already? If the doctor says so then it would please me.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 5:48 pm
Ullu Banati,
My apologies really – standard usage in Ullu land – I completely forgot.
Where did I say you physically counted the words you moron? You yourself just proved that you didn’t perform just one step. You’ve obviously created a Word document for your rants. Even with a keyboard short cut it’s not a single step – ATL+R+W or ALT+T+W or Ctrl+Shift+G. Alternatively the word count shows on the bottom left hand corner of your word document. That works of course only if you are creating a separate document each time you rant. Otherwise, you’d have to use Shift+arrow keys to select your text and then check. After which you would be doing a Ctrl C and Ctrl V to paste it here. That’s umm…..how many steps????? ;) Can you tell me which the single step is? I’d really like to know. I’m not backward, just poor, so please don’t tell me shortcuts on a Macbook!! :(
You cannot be ‘as worse’ as I, you can only be ‘worse’ – remember your English lessons? Bad–> Worse –>Worst!! ;) Oh sorry, I forgot this is Ullu land and Ullu land style! :D
And it appears to me that you’re the one who’s “wasted”, you know, drunk and high otherwise, you wouldn’t ramble on like you do….;)
And before I forget, you are “out of work” therefore you “wanna be” employed which is what makes you a “wannabe” ;)
Maya
March 18, 2013 at 5:20 pm
;) Hello Maya, Don’t spare Ullu Banati. Please also explain to him that his nickname clearly proves that his Hindi is not very good either. Hahaha,
Ashwini Sugandha
March 18, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Lol, ullu banati is not my nickname but my handle here. Do you know the difference?
This shows what your and Maya’s level is. you can say not a word about the main thing but will say a hundred things about everything else, from my spellings to my grammar to my hair color to my nick name here to the color of my underwear. But at least you are good at making others laugh :-D. Keep it up dear.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Really? You checked MS-Word for all those steps and then typed all that stuff? What a miserable person you are. For a person like you it indeed is a complicated sequence of things. I am sure you can’t press 2 keys on the keyboard simultaneously without looking for them. I understand that you will call such things as complex, it’s all your bird brain’s fault. You tried all this and are still not sure of the right way of doing it and ask me about it? You have my pities.
Of course I am not as worse as Vipul etc because they are worse by default anyhow. I am being charitable in not calling them the worst. They are not fit for any other nice adjectives either. Amusing to see that you think it is a big deal to remember the various forms of the adjectives. The rest of us are more occupied with what they say rather than the exact sentence construction which is a trivial thing. You are one of those newbie office interns who are more worried about the exact font used on their slides rather than the content of the slide. Its ok, with time you will learn that such obsession is pointles.
Did you notice the missing ‘s’? Please note and fret over it. Sue me if you want. :-p
Nice to see you moved from grammmour to word usage. Sad to see that you don’t know what wannabe means and are still using it. What amuses me is that you are so used to texts and simpler sentences that when you see a comment of a few thousand words your mind goes bonkers and you start sweating that oh my god, this man is a writer. Then your mind tells you that hey let’s find some tiny winy mistake somewhere in that heap of words and so you come up with your silly and laughable points of this and that. Just that makes you feel good about yourself and you give yourself a pat on your back that “hey, I am good too, I can comment on these matters too.”
One final thing. It should be “I had completely forgotten” and not “I completely forgot”.
I can be forgiven for my mistakes but a grammar nazi like you should be shot dead for her wrong grammar. Oops, should it be “your wrong grammar” or “her wrong grammar”? Pls tell.
Your comments are nor amusing me neither bemusing me. I am sorry, neither comes first and not nor, isn’t it so? Also, I am not as well educated as you so can you please tell me the difference between amusing and bemusing? I always had problems there.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Pities? How many pities? 1? 2? 3? How many?
Maya
March 19, 2013 at 12:09 am
You don’t know uncountable nouns? Duh.
By asking that question, you have sullied your already sullied image here. Now please do not ask how sullied. Decide yourself.
Baby, take rest now. It is beyond you. Ok chweety chwwety baby? Pleeje do not make yourself the butt of jokes now. :-D
Ullu Banati
March 19, 2013 at 12:26 am
Papa had confiscated my computer. :(
And looks like your boss at that high paying job also pulled you up today!! After all you have to justify the high salary, no? :’( Or have you, to borrow a word from your lexicon, “retreated”?
Maya
March 19, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Any amount of pity is too little for your wretched limited life my dear.
You just can’t stop what you are doing here. Look, if you are like this then at least you should not be committing mistakes. You yourself do not know uncountable nouns yet you want to find out imaginary mistakes in comments of others? Awwwwww.
Shikha Agarwal
March 20, 2013 at 1:07 am
Ullu Banati has said hundreds of things here, all you talk about here is him counting the words and his English, it is a sign of your inadequacy more than anything else. I do not see anything wrong in his language skills; he is well educated and presents his points in a structured form. There is nothing wrong in his sentence construction. You are saying “Can you tell me which the single step is?” but it should be “Can you tell me which among these is the single step you had talked about?” Ab hawa nikal gayi tumhari English ki haan?
Using stricter rules there would be yet another, even better way of saying it but that it not the point. Your needless focus on his English is irritating and takes this thread nowhere. By saying all this, he gains more while you lose even before you’d earned anything here. My suggestion to you is to be more constructive. Ullu’s only flaw is that he types too much but that is understandable when one looks at the comments of others here. He should try to shorten his comments but you should contribute more to this thread instead of showing fake punctiliousness.
Vinay Dubey
March 18, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Superb my dear. Absolutely superb. I can’t believe how I missed this mistake. You totally demolished Maya there. Poor girl is too much into grammar and can’t talk about anything else but even in her own claimed area of expertise, she stumbles a lot and keeps falling badly. Here you just took a teeth or two out of her face by landing that solid punch.
I do not think she will be able to reply to her. She is too quick to show of her grammar here, often by simply re-arranging the sentence instead of reconstructing it and this she feels is enough proof of her superior grip over English language but she is a poor student herself and can’t admit her own mistakes even after they are clearly pointed out to her.
Here, you have simply blown her away. You obliterated here here. Hats off to you. She is not coming back to reply to your comment. May be she will talk to her mummy or teacher about some more language rules so that she can show off some more tomorrow.
Great point. Loved it.
Ullu Banati
March 19, 2013 at 2:10 am
The first sentence, if indeed that is what it is, of the above post is both grammatically and factually, challenged. One of those cases where both the style and the substance are simultaneously wrong.
I reproduce below Maya’s first response, which has been twisted to make others believe that she is some kind of grammar nazi.
Quite the opposite infact, this here seems to be a person who places substance over style, but has gotten swamped by the deluge of hatred intermingled with gibberish that has been unleashed.
QUOTE (from Maya’s post)
“Wow! This Ullu Banati seems to be an out of work wannabe writer! Who else has the time to write so much gibberish and expect it be read on a platform like this. Get a life – seriously!!!
And also, learn how laugh at everything – even yourself!! ;)
UNQUOTE
I won’t take up the grammar of the above referred ‘sentence’ unless forced to, since that is not the moot point here. However the error, to me, is self evident.
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 5:34 pm
In Maya’s above quoted post, I don’t see her counting words or correcting anyone’s grammar but rather stating far more important things in a lighter vein.
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 5:55 pm
That is because she started her grammar nazi drill in her subsequent comments you dunce. It was in her later comments that she talked of counting words dumbass.
What a ridiculous person you are !!!
Shikha Agarwal
March 20, 2013 at 1:03 am
Synopsis…
Italian Marines shoot Indian men dead and then give blood money to their families and then escape. I find it outrageous. Then Vipul comes in and tells me that I am over-reacting because in his eyes the matter is first of all not serious at all as it was just a case of error-of-judgement and secondly, is over cos blood money has been paid already.
I asked Vipul how he would react if someone raped his sister and then said it was due to error of judgement as the rapist wanted to rape some other girl actually and then the rapist offered “Honour Money” to him and told him the issue is over.
I honestly cannot see how these two scenarios are different. They may not be identical but very similar. If anyone says that I abused his sister then it was Vipul who abused the fishermen’s families first and so made himself open to abuse in return.
I can’t understand why can’t Vipul tell me how he would react in this scenario. Would he accept the money and not ask for a criminal trial? Would he feel nothing if the rapist manages to escape? Why can’t Vipul tell us how he would behave? What is stopping him?
A number of people here have wholeheartedly supported me. A number of people here have criticized me. Those who criticize me are not saying a word on the blinded eyes of Vipul. They are not saying anything on the pointless rant of The Soldier. Then a fellow who think he is argumentative comes in and after a casual reading does an analysis of me. What he manages to get right is that I am a guy (which was obvious and I had admitted myself). His other deductions are half-baked and frankly silly. Of course if you type 5000 words about someone’s personality then a few of them would hit the target. This argumentative fellow is unable to argue for more than 5 mins and then starts using fancy vocabulary and other showy stuff to buy time and save his face.
Then we have a person called Maya who contributes zilch to the main debate thread but instead starts a new sub-thread where she focuses on extremely low level and vacuous stuff. For eg the no of steps to count the words in an article. She tries to be very meticulous about correct grammar but amidst all that random garbage she completely forgets that she had completely forgotten correct grammar herself.
Then we have a person called Ashwini who asserts that he/she is very logical and proud of it. Sadly, barely 2 comments later her logic loses its orientation.
There have been a few other people too. For eg The Soldier who claims that he is in the Army but does not know that the Indian Army does not use AK-47 but has INSAS as its standard firearm. What do I need to say for these liars? People like Vipul and Ashwini fall for such liars. It is imp to note that once he realized I had called his bluff he simple retreated.
I still can’t believe why are some people here not willing to say that this is a serious issue that has caused us embarrassment globally. It would not have happened if our image was that of a strong nation in the world. Whether someone respects us or fears us, the key thing is no one should mess with us. We have Sri Lanka, Maldives, Pakistan, China, Italy messing with us in one way or the other and some people here are still looking for the BIGGER PICTURE. All these things feed on each other. We stop one of them, the others would not happen too. The Soldier wanted us to solves the problems closer to home than this one. May be he thinks Kerala or Supreme Court of India are not in India.
Some people here have a problem with my abusive behaviour but these same people say nothing about the abuses India is getting from other nations of late. What can I say to such people except that you all deserve my middle finger.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 7:02 pm
Oi, your synopsis is also very long!! How did you deal with comprehension and word limits in school? :D
Para 4: I can’t understand why can’t Vipul tell me how he would react in this scenario.
It should be: “I can’t understand why Vipul can’t tell me how he would react in this scenario” ;)
Para 9: I still can’t believe why are some people here not willing to say that this is a serious issue that has caused us embarrassment globally
It should be: “I still can’t believe why some people are / why some people here are not willing to say that this is a serious issue that has caused us embarrassment globally.” ;)
Btw- did anyone say that it is not an embarrassment? You made comparisons between this incident and the Union Carbide/Warren Anderson issue and the beheadings! That’s just plain stupid-they just cannot be compared! :P
Maya
March 19, 2013 at 1:06 am
Sigh !!! story of your life. Wasted in nitpicking. Tragedy is that you falter even there. Comedy in tragedy.
Ullu Banati
March 19, 2013 at 1:47 am
@Soldier is right on facts. AK 47 is indeed the weapon used by the soldiers fighting insurgency. The troops not dealing directly(support functions) wield the insas.
extra virgin
May 8, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Ullu Banati. Sigh! If half of your energy is channeled, our GDP would have reached 8%. Theek Hai!!!
Sugi
March 18, 2013 at 8:06 pm
It would be 8% or even 10% but these people are the real impedance. They are reluctant to realize their is a problem, they are slow in taking decisions, and too meek to take proper decisions and believe in tokens. What can I do ? :-(
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Don’t you mean impediment? :D
Maya
March 19, 2013 at 12:12 am
No. Impedance is a diff word. Your vocabulary is really poor my dear. You need to work on it. You are fast becoming an awesome joker here.
In any case, you should ideally have asked “Did you mean impediment?”
You see, you are confused between the spoken form and the written form. You knew that there are two forms or is this news to you?
One more attempt by the grammar nazi is busted. You are so proud of your grip on the English language and even there you are losing badly. :-(
Are you good at anything? ANYTHING???
Yes, you are good at losing. :-D
Kiddo, try again on some other comment of mine. Read all of them, do some study, read your cherished notes and then come back again with some silly point of yours. I will happily and eagerly bust that too.
Ullu Banati
March 19, 2013 at 12:41 am
My dear Professor Ullu,
Did you mean this meaning of impedance: “A measure of the opposition to the flow of alternating current through a circuit. Impedance is measured in ohms. The resistance of a circuit to direct current (also measured in ohms) is generally not the same as its impedance, due to the effects of capacitance and induction in and among the components of the circuit”?
:D
Maya
March 19, 2013 at 12:58 am
The true hallmark of a troll, when caught, obfuscate.
Impedance is a physical phenomenon.
(Electrical impedance, Characteristic impedance of a transmission line, Nominal impedance, Wave impedance, Impedance of free space, Mechanical impedance, Acoustic impedance)
When called out, the troll, smoothly pulls up mistakes / spin doctors mistakes in the construct of the one that has done the calling and attempts to divert attention.
e.g. QUOTE
“In any case, you should ideally have asked “Did you mean impediment?”
You see, you are confused between the spoken form and the written form.”
UNQUOTE
Just a load of Blah.
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Argumentative Indian, obfuscation is just what Maya has been doing. Her behaviour here is just what a troll is known to do. She is talking about things which have no connection to the topic.
What is BLAH about what Ullu said to Maya? He told her that she did not know the other word and in addition pointed out another grammatical mistake in Maya’s comment just like Maya has been doing here. Why is Ullu’s response BLAH but not Maya’s?
If you were already not seen as an empty and biased person here then you surely are now.
You too are guilty of obfuscating this debate and trolling here as instead of debating here you are too busy doing psychological analysis of other people here which bears little resemblance to the reality and drives this thread no where.
Shikha Agarwal
March 20, 2013 at 1:14 am
lol..
Srikant
March 19, 2013 at 8:31 am
This specific incident is a great proof of how bankrupt the minds of Maya and Argumentative Indian are. They cannot process any new info except the one that they have learnt by rote. They knew of one word impediment which means obstruction. They did not know of the other word impediment which denotes the opposition a current faces from the circuit when it flows through a circuit.
If Maya or Argumentative Indian had any ability of learning new things then they would have realized that I had used impedance correctly because impedance is a special kind of impediment. People like Vipul, The Soldier, Maya, Ashwini, Argumentative Indian are all Indians yet are opposing a fellow Indian when he is asking for very obvious, natural and urgent solutions. They are all part of the system yet opposing those who want to change the system.
Impediment could not have reflected all that as it is a much lighter word. Impedance expressed all that beautifully. But Maya and Argumentative Indian could not see it. They knew only impediment and could not figure out the meaning of the new word. How inept these people are???
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Sugijee,
Je baat to sahee hai. iss saal hamara GDP itna kam issi dhakkano ke kaaran hua hai!
Ullu in Chullu
March 18, 2013 at 11:41 pm
Maya tum to koi 16-17 saal ki lakdi lagti ho jisme koi maturity hi nahi hai. Baat kya ho rahi hai aur tum apni alag hi kahani mein lagi hui ho. Bilkul chhote bachoon ki tarah se comment kar rahi ho. Worse tha ya worst tha ya poor tha isme kya rakha hai, tumko jo asli mudda hai us per comment karna chaiye naki in zara zara si baaton mein.
Adhwini Sugandha tumko uske naam se kya matlab hai woh jo asli baat keh raha hai us per dhyan do tum bhi. Debate karna nahi ata hai kya tum dono ko? Maya bhi aisi hi hai.
Ullu Bhai, tum lage raho. Main tumhara kayal ho gaya hoon. Kya dhanso jawab dete ho. Thode lambe hote hai lekin zabardast hote hain atom bomb ki tarah. Maa kasam maza aa gaya hai is page ko padh ke. Bilkul tv ka debate lag raha hai, lekin sirf tum hi sayane ho yahan per. Baaki sab to speling per hi dhayn de rahen hain ya oochi baatein kar rahen hain. Tum inko bajate raho inko to koi farak hi nahi padhta hai agara hamara koi saathi mar jata hai. Barbaad hain yeh sab ke sab. Woh vipul aur soldier to gayab hi ho gaye hain. Lagta hai tumne unki faad di hai isliye silwane gaye hain. Itne lambe debate ko padh ke ajeeb sa maza aa raha hai. Boring to bilkul bhi nahi hai. You tube per kai baar aise debate dekhen hain lekin woh to thodi der mein gaali per utar aa jaate hain yahan aisa nahi ho raha hai isliye maza aa raha hai.
Akhilendra Pratap Singh
March 18, 2013 at 8:19 pm
ullu, again using an alias huh? :) :) And writing in Hindi because the previous attempt (Ira Sharma) was so obvious… pathetic hai yaar.
dj
March 18, 2013 at 8:38 pm
You are a very paranoid person if you think that anyone who supports me is me using an alias. It also shows that you are yourself good for nothing, can say nothing, form half-baked opinions based on your undeveloped mind and then can think that anyone who takes the other side must be somehow cheating. Whether in Hindi or English, anyone can say anything here. It is your problem if you can’t see the comment but want to waste time in conspiracy theories. Keep wasting your time.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 10:00 pm
DJ there was a girl by the name of Sheetal some time back who had commented in half hindi-half english, I am surprised that you do not think that was me too.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Gaali galoaj, ka mazaa tab looten hain, jab samnewale ka badtameezee bhi yadgar hove hain. Yahan to keval ek hi hain jo doosro ko apman kare hain, baki to tameez ke mare hain.
Isiliye mazaa ayen hain, kamskam, kuchh logon ko to ayen hain, hum badkismatise un maza ke noshwanon me shamil nahi ho paye hain.
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 11:04 am
All said and done,my point is:
The Italian Marines were drunk and disregarding all Maritime laws, shot two poor Indians. The “judgement error” does not hold any water. A Marine ceases to be a soldier when he cannot differenciate between a schooner and a Pirate ship.
Agreed, it is no more a personal matter between the affected families and the Marines but has become a matter between two countries. All the more reason for blaming the retched country like Italy; I will tell you why, if their intentions were honest, they would not have given the assurance through a person not less than the Ambassador of that country.
Our country is soft (somebody may like to call it ‘impotent’ inspite of being so large with population crossing a billion)has been proved time and again. Who is not bullying us? From betalnut sized Maldives, through Srilanka,Bangladesh, Pakistan and the Big China every country is taking a digf at us at every chance!
Now, you have a right to find out where the fault lies.
Ciao.
Narsi Kaushik
March 18, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Narsi Kaushik,
Prepare yourself for another comment by Mr. DJ here. He is going to say you are just me using a diff alias. He thinks no other person in India should feel outraged at this issue of killings+lying in SC.
Ullu Banati
March 18, 2013 at 10:03 pm
This is now a long discussion but shows no signs of ending. People like Vipul want us to believe that such incidents are common so we should not think much about them. If they are common then we should ensure that they become less frequent. In 2012 when a university in USA was found to have violated Visa norms, the US administration had arrested some Indian students and made others wear collars even though they had done nothing wrong. US routinely insults Indians who go there. Abdul Kalam, Shahrukh Khan are the prominent names that come to my mind. In 2012, USA had insulted our lady envoy as she was wearing a saree. Italy had twice insulted one diplomat of ours who was a Sikh and was wearing a turban. Canada had refused visa to a BSF or ITBP commander saying that it was an agency that was known for human rights violations. China keeps insulting us every now and then by giving stapled visas or denying visas completely. The way Modi has been treated by some nations is well known too. It is a fact that the world does not take India seriously. India is seen as a soft state all over. We have teeth and can bite hard but we do not know how to use our teeth. If Ullu Banati is mad, abusive and outraged then he is right. We have all the strength but do not want to show or use. Fraud leaders that we have and fraud people like some here are the reason why the world sees us like this. A person says something sensible in an angry voice and these people have problems with his anger but do not want to see his point. They want to waste energy in finding faults with his English skills and doing his psychiatric analysis.
Shikha Agarwal
March 18, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Very well said. To rephrase your own words a bit, “We have all the muscles but are somehow not keen on even flexing those muscles forget about using them to deliver a blow”.
We have assholes like Vipul who do not want to believe that there is a problem and instead ask us to think about the DSP’s murder when this issue is under consideration. We have illogical people like The Soldier who wants us to look at the BIGGER PICTURE cos India’s global image is not big enough for them. He says I am being parochial cos I, a North Indian, am supporting an unknown Keralite. Ridiculous. He claims that he has been in Indian Army since 1984 but he does not know that Indian Army’s default firearm is INSAS. He says it is AK-47 cos it is the name one hears most often, even a class 5th student would know what AK-47 is. We have people like Argumentative Indian who want to be seen as argumentative but can’t argue more than twice and who are more interested in making the kundli of others based on their popcorn logic than in actual debate.
Lastly, we have people like Maya who are more worried about the few fallen grains on the sides of the stove than the main course of the meal lying on the dining table. Not only are these people horrible fools, they seem to relish it. It seems as if they are proud of being horrible fools. They are soaking up their magnificent foolery. Every pore of them is soaked.
Terrific, isn’t it?
Actually it is terrible.
Ullu Banati
March 19, 2013 at 12:14 am
Unfortunately, the ability to yell, abuse or feel victimzed (now is there any specific group of people that fits this description, every country they are in, is against them, and when they are in a majority in a particular country, they are at each others’ throats!) does not win respect globally, else Pakistan, North Korea and Somalia would be the most respected nations on earth. Not Japan.
There are those that would have India behave strongly, like Pakistan or North Korea. Fortunately for India, they still await their turn at power.
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Dude, do one thing. Just shut up. Your comments make no sense. You are making comments aiwen hi. No one said things to which you apparently have replied here. This yet again proves that you are a fake person. You just want to be seen as intelligent and intellectual by talking about some high-sounding things here and there. Your comments are not worth 5 paise in reality. So do one thing, spare us the trouble and shut up.
Shikha Agarwal
March 20, 2013 at 1:21 am
You think that asking India to be assertive and take steps that make others respect or fear us is like asking India to act like Pakistan and North Korea?
Lol.
Shikha is right, you need to shut up. Your mind is non-existent. Have mercy on us and more importantly, have mercy on your own poor self. You likes being laughed at or what?
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 12:54 pm
I guess reason why they don see his point is he give lots of gaali and get angry at silly cartoon? And more argumentative thatn argumnetative Indian
Raman
March 18, 2013 at 11:34 pm
I am angry at a silly cartoon? I hope you did read my first comment here before commenting. Please read it again and then see if I am angry at the killing+cheating or at this silly cartoon.
Ullu Banati
March 19, 2013 at 12:16 am
Sirjee, I only read first second post. Uske baad it was the too much to be readed fully. Your first post you say that “Ashwin, this is one topic upon which no matter how talented one is,once can never make a satire. This is just like Bhopal 1984. This is just like Bofors 1987. If the beheading of our two soldiers by Pak wasn’t enough then this one really makes the blood boil of any Indian whose worth is more than 1 paisa.” Then someone say you are over-reacting and then start the arguments. You started by getting angry at cartoon only no? So, what you are saying? I read your first comment only.
Raman
March 19, 2013 at 3:12 pm
No my dear. My very first comment makes it clear that my blood was boiling at the main issue itself. Did I not say there that this was such a sad issue that no matter how good one is at satirizing, the main issue would always make one angry? I had no issues with the quality of the satire which was in fact quite good. Neither did I compare the beheading of our soldiers with this, which although is somewhat similar. What I had said was it was the beheading incident some months back and now this. A sequence of events that makes an Indian’s blood boil.
Btw, I have not given a single gaali. I don’t know what you read. Regarding Vipul, he is someone who says that the whole issue is over after money was paid. For that man, no abuse is enough. He himself sees nothing abusive in the way Italy has behaved with India so for him any abuse is fitting. And lol, Argumentative Indian is argumentative only in name, he talks to himself here, making silly comments here and there and then replying to himself.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 11:57 am
Dear Ullu Banati,
You are truly a propagandist. If there are people here who are mocking you it’s because you have demeaned the subject at hand by calling people “assholes” and discussing their sisters simply because they didn’t bow to what you seem to consider your superior intelligence and greater nationalistic fervour. You deserve to be mocked.
Excuse me for being irritated with your lies… I clearly said that the behaviour of the Italian Marines & government has outraged me as much as it has outraged you. How dare you dismiss my outrage simply because I additionally pointed out that I’m disgusted by your abusiveness towards people who’ve disagreed with you. A short while later I see that you’ve written here that I said it’s not a serious issue! Liar!
Listen Loser Panauti, I don’t need lessons in patriotism from you. What has happened is shocking and I’m glad that the Supreme Court (and the government) have decided not to allow the Italian Ambassador to leave the country. I completely disagree with the Court’s decision to allow the Italian Marines to go off for Christmas and then again to vote … It brings back memories of Mr Jaswant Singh accompanying Maulana Mazhood Azhar to Kandahar to be politely handed back to Pakistani terrorists. But it shows your complete lack of perspective and sensitivity that you would compare this episode to the Bhopal Gas Tragedy. I’ve already said all the above in earlier posts but since you seem determined to trivialize everything anyone has said in disagreement with you, I felt this bears repeating.
By the way, what made you assume that I’m a woman? Is it because I said you sound like a male chauvinist when you talked about Vipul’s sister being raped? So do you think only a woman could find that comment objectionable? It’s the same mentality that makes you make a personal remark like that to Vipul. You can’t believe that anyone would have any feelings about any issue unless they have been personally affected. By your own logic, I should ask you whether your mother has been raped by those Italian Marines and whether that’s why you are so angry. But I’m not disgusting like you (and I have too much respect for women) so I won’t ask that question.
You think people have “retreated” because they haven’t stayed on to comment on this page for 7 days like you. I know this is hard for you to believe, but some of us have jobs and families to take care of.
I repeat, I’m outraged by the Italian Marines’ (and Italian government’s) decision to insult our Supreme Court. But I’m also disgusted by your abusiveness towards people here who have a different perspective on the matter from yours. Your first response to the first person who politely presented a point of view was to call that person an “asshole”.
I must say you have chosen your nickname very well, Mr Ullu.
Now go get a life. Best wishes, Ashwini
Ashwini Sugandha
March 19, 2013 at 12:33 am
Ashwini
A lot is wrong with you. A lot.
You can not read well and you can not grasp what little you read.
A person who says this was just a case of error of judgment and the whole issue is over after blood money was paid deserves to be called an asshole. If you were to say that your sister’s rape was no longer an issue after you were given money as compensation then I would call you as an asshole too. This, btw, is a question and not an abuse. Your brain is too thick to see the difference it. I will quote Aristotle for you here. Aptly he said “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” Obviously, you and your crony Vipul lack the education to ponder over difficult questions.
I may or may not have demeaned the subject at hand but what do you have to say for those who refuse to say that there is a subject there to begin with? Both Vipul and The Soldier labeled this issue as a small issue not worth this kind of reaction. You are blind and foolish if you can’t see what is wrong with these people. Therefore do not lecture me.
Show to me where did I exactly dismiss your outrage. Either your eyes are playing tricks with your brain OR you are now blatantly lying. Something is wrong with you definitely cos I had said @5:48 pm that “On one hand you say this is a serious issue…”. And you read it as otherwise. Either your eyes are bad or mind is sick or English reading skills are poor or all of these. If you have nothing proper to say in the debate then you can chose to remain quiet to save your face. No need to lie so openly to make these comments. You have been exposed here as a cheater. You are lying through your teeth about me here. I have caught your lies here and exposed your bluff. Please shut up now.
Yet again you showed your lack of understanding when you said that I had compared this issue to Bhopal Gas Tragedy. Either you are a fool or a liar (or both). I had explained the similarity in the Point # 3 of my comment here on March 13 at 12 am. Had you been reading well before commenting then you would not have said this. But you are a cheater and a liar so I should expect the worst from you from now on.
And I do not recall that you had said any of this before. Except in your initial comment here where you said that you too were outraged, you have not said anything like this anywhere else. I challenge you to show me the place where you had said anything like this before. Show me where you talked about your disagreement with the SC decision to let the Marine go home. Show me where you said you felt good that the SC had barred the Italian diplomat from leaving India. Show me where you said any of this. I dare you.
You are utterly confused about your own stand here. You claim you have said something in the past when you have not. You seem to be suffering from some kind of short term memory loss? :-D
Every sentence of yours made up of lies and white lies here. You are the loser here. LOSER !!!
And once again, when did I say you are a woman? Show me a single place where I said you are a woman. I have made no reference to your gender here. You are ridiculously funny and a lousy liar. At one place I did talk about you in 3rd person but even there I used he/she for you cos I was not sure about your gender. After that I used her for you but using the feminine form is nowadays common to talk in a gender neutral way. You are a retard if you think I think you are a woman. I do not know your gender. Whether you are a man or a woman or a … I don’t know and I don’t care. You misunderstood this whole thing (or perhaps deliberately did that to somehow build a point) and then wrote all that rubbish about male chauvinism. I have already told you that it was a not a personal remark but an obvious question. You are incapable of seeing the difference, just like Vipul.
But anyways, what were you talking about there? It seems you are woefully unaware of a term called Empathy. I have empathy for the killed fishermen’s families while Vipul does not have that feeling. Since he is so dry emotionally it is natural that I have to ask him at what point and after what event would he feel bad. It is not my problem if you or Vipul do not have that feeling. Your problem, not mine.
Unlike you, I can handle uncomfortable questions without getting affect by them. If those Italian Marines had raped my mother then I would have been even angrier and outraged. I would have taken the revenge this or that way. I would not have waited to look at the BIGGER PICTURE. No amount of money or other inducement would have stopped me. See? It is not difficult to answer such questions. Vipul couldn’t do that cos he knew there was a contradiction in what he was saying for the dead fishermen and for his own sister’s misfortune. He knew the truth but was too tight to admit it here.
I am happy to know that at least some among you have jobs and families. It looked to me that you all were useless people not fit to work even in a Photostat shop. Well I got a job too, a reasonably good job that pays me well (certainly much more than any of you could ever hope for). Unlike you, I do not find it difficult to manage several things in my life. I can handle it all unlike Vipul and The Soldier who keep jumping from one problem to the other without solving any one. You see, I am efficient and quick at thinking. I do not have to waste many minutes and hours in thinking of replies which alas seems to be the case for your slow brains. How sad :-(
Vipul is an asshole. He is a certified asshole. I stand by it. It is metastasized in him. He is beyond recovery. A polite asshole is still an asshole. Is this difficult for you to understand?
I had told you this in the past too. There is a diff in a nick name and a handle. You are too dumb to understand it even after being told. Darn, what a dumbo you are !!!
Ullu Banati
March 19, 2013 at 1:41 am
I don’t believe in payment of blood money because this officially advantages the rich to the disadvantage of the poor.
In the present instance, whether the poor fishermen’s families withdrew their petition or not, India should have fought the case and is doing so. Infact the SC has taken a tough stand as has been reported in today’s paper.
In my humble opinion, India has NOT under reacted. I do not see this as a test of India’s power, but rather as a quest for justice.
Others have a right to have a differing view. Some maybe super outraged. The less outraged may call for restraint and the super outraged may call for more testoterone.
However, calling someone names because they are not outraged is in poor form. It is not condoned.
The analogy of sister’s rape is not only uncalled for, but also logically dissonant. The postulate that rape can happen erroneously, when the rapist mistakes the victim for another, presupposes the act of a wilful crime, i.e. rape.
A better example, in the present instance would have been what about if someone ran over your beloved in a case of rash driving? How outraged would you be? Firstly as in case of rash driving, there is no presumption of wilful malice, i.e. the shooter / rash driver did not set out to kill anyone, it could have been an error of judgement. A rape CANNOT be an error of judgement.
Aristotle’s quote in the present context is irrelevant.
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 12:11 pm
For the nth time I am saying here that the question about rape was, well, a question. It was meant to make Vipul feel more connected to the issue at hand. This is called Empathy. He had no empathy for the killed fishermen’ families, he had no sense of dignity and respect. Even after repeated reminders he couldn’t answer it, simple. If you or Vipul can’t see its point then your brains are way too fat. Not my problem.
Keep commenting, the more you do the more you get exposed as a shallow person. When I talk directly to you you shamelessly run away from there and do not read my comments even when I specifically asked you to, maybe cos they were a bit too high for your mind and then you barge in at other places and try to reply on the behalf of others so that you can feel good for being able to reply to me somewhere somehow. What a loser you are. Worst of them.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 12:48 pm
The moment Maya finds a new word she is unable to grasp it on her own and has to find someone to help her understand that word. She is unable to learn new things on her own. May be this is why she is so keen to show to the world just what she knows (she knows very little anyways).
All she knows is to pencil out some thing or the other in the notebook of class 1st students. She carries this habit to other places too where more matures things are said. She is so used to it that she cannot stop doing it even after one points out her own mistakes in her grammar. She is like an incompetent maid. Too dumb to be corrected on her own.
Maya if you googled that new word and found its meaning and still can’t figure out its meaning then it shows what your brain is like. That you have to use an emoticon there too shows you are trying to hide your incompetence there.
Keep trying. Like I said, I am enjoying busting your silly points here.
Btw, what happened to the mistakes in your grammar that I and someone else had pointed out? Too ashamed to admit them? Haawwwww.
Ullu Banati
March 19, 2013 at 1:57 am
Good Morning!
So, Pop Psychosis is an infection disease, most interesting!
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 10:50 am
infection = infectious. Hmm, typo? Perhaps.
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 11:08 am
Ofc it was a typo idiot, what else do you think it was? Huh.
And you talking to yourself? Are you suffering from Multiple Personality Syndrome? Why don’t you first analyze your own tonnes of psychological problems before targeting others?
I am 100 percent sure that now you would do another analysis of mine saying that I abused you when I called you an idiot. If you act like an idiot then anyone will call you an idiot but to you it seems like abuse. To others it is fact.
Keep talking to yourself.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Could be age catching up.
Could just be drowsiness in the morning.
Could be plain laziness in not even reading the post before hitting the post / enter, whatever button.
Likely a typo though.
BTW, I must be an idiot, dunce, dumbass, and a ridiculous person to boot. I did not accuse anyone else of being such, ergo …
Argumentative Indian
March 20, 2013 at 12:50 pm
A typo is a typo, whether due to old age or drowsiness or anything else. Your mind wavers a bit too much it lacks focus.
After calling me poor, uneducated, frustrated etc you say you have not called me anything? Your age is definitely catching up with you. Retire gracefully.
Btw, I called you an idiot only. If you want to imagine that I called you dunce dumbass etc then you are having some nightmare about me abusing you. You must retire, you are definitely toooo old.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 2:08 pm
And what kind of a person feels drowsy at 10:50 am? Ahh, you must have spent some time with one of your “frank” girls in the night and slept late right? Remember you had said you had access to girls from the higher society who were frank and open-minded? Remember you had said that access to such kind of girls was a per-requisite to feel good and manly? Do you remember that or is your Alzheimer getting worse?
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 2:12 pm
So Maya, how does it feel to lose on even your own turf huh? Like a smack in the face right?
If you want more such smacks in your face then keep commenting here with your pathetic points which show how ludicrous your knowledge of English Grammar is.
Vinay Dubay had shown you the mirror above. You could not answer him and it shows. The camel (that too lame and half-blind) is now confronted by the mountain. It all shows.
Ullu Banati
March 19, 2013 at 2:04 am
Each time you reply you prove that you are an idle-headed motley-minded motormouth who continues to puke gibberish! ;)
Maya
March 19, 2013 at 11:33 pm
Err…actually it is you who does that. Ullu’s comment has no gibberish whatsoever but it is your comment here that is all crap. You think you are commenting but it looks like you are catatonically farting :-p
Shikha Agarwal
March 20, 2013 at 1:29 am
It is clear that you are losing to Ullu even in basic grammar rules and vocabulary, something that you see as your strong point. Someone else also pointed out major mistakes in the English of your comments here. You couldn’t reply to him too. I’d say Ullu is wiping the floor with you as the mop at the moment :-D
Shikha Agarwal
March 20, 2013 at 1:35 am
Not finding any more mistakes? It seems you knew only this much English. Now that others are finding major mistakes in your own English then you want to act touchy and want to escape somehow by saying any random thing that is irrelevant to the context.
Why are you not replying to what Vinay had said for your English above? Are you feeling incapable already? Did he scare you? Oho, got it, I guess someone’s bum is on fire :-D
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 12:31 pm
Ullu bhai, I’m your fan! Aap mahaan ho! Kya aatank macha rakha hai forum pe! Saalon ki le li aap ne. Chutiyon ke shehenshah, Ullu bhai ki jai!!!
Ullu ka fan
March 19, 2013 at 10:22 am
Gali mat do, baki jo bolna hai bolo chahe mere ko ya dusro ko.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 12:27 pm
What makes a person compulsively abuse those who have a differing view?
Even when attempting to put an interesting Hindi saying, Unt Pahad ke nichay, literally, the camel under the mountain, more correctly, the camel confronted by the mountain, some feels a need to abuse the camel (lame & half blind) because here the camel is a metaphor for another who holds a differing world view.
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 11:16 am
An abuser, compulsive or otherwise, can flourish, when the abused keep quiet.
Everyone has the right to react differently to a situation:
1) Someone may be outraged to the same extent by the behaviour of the Italian Marines (which may have been an error of judgement unless the court has adjudicated the matter) as by the beheading of Indian soldiers (which cannot be an error of judgement) as by the connivance of the state machinery is ensuring a smooth passage to the Chairman of Union Carbide Corporation, which company had culminated a henious human tragedy through criminal negligence. Someone may feel India’s response in the matter has been as feeble as India’s usual responses in these matters.
2) Someone may be less outraged.
While advising each other to either show some restraint or not over react or on the other hand to develop a ‘pair’ or get some testosterone shots is par for the course.
Personal abuse is a wilful crime, it may be a minor offense, like a misdemeanour, but it cannot be committed through an error of judgement, the pre-requisite for personal abuse is malice in the heart.
It shows the mental state of a person who has to think of rape scenarios of anther person’s sister to get his point across.
I also see a lot of pent up hatred against women / girls here. Firstly the rape scenario, which was uncalled for in the present context. Secondly the way the person has personally attacked Maya.
QUOTE:
“So Maya, how does it feel to lose on even your own turf huh? Like a smack in the face right?”
UNQUOTE
This is two things at once, visualizations of wilful (not erroneous) violence directed against another’s being compounded with the intention, not of subduing an imminent threat (as in the hypothetical case of say punching a burglar), but of insulting a person with an opposing view point.
Some may be aware, that rape is not about sex, rather it is about control. It is about subjugating the will of another individual of insulting a person & achieving complete control.
I wonder what the above comment about Maya, says about the commentator:
1) Insecurity?
2) Misogyny?
3) Intolerance – insulting / shaming those with alternate views?
4) Has a large part of the commentator’s own childhood been spent receiving a “smack in the face”?
5) Is there rejection lurking here somewhere?
6) Does this person need to belittle others to feel good about himself?
What drives people to think like this?
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 11:39 am
I am convinced that you’ve put on this cloak of being argumentative, and use needlessly embellished language and do other such attempts to add color to your comments here because when you were a child you were a dumb person who was always the clown of the class. I am convinced that you have a lot of frustration due to this which makes you pretend to others on the internet as if you are great at dialectics. You somehow want to be seen as intelligent by others and this is why you indulge in all such activities of doing psycho analysis of others particularly those who you realize are much superior than you. This is why you are forced to use embellished English as it makes you feel that others will think of you as well educated and wise. A while back you did a longer analysis of Ullu. Now I am convinced, like Ullu that most of it is true for you. You must have had a poor upbringing, poor education, may be poor food too. You never went to a co-ed school, your higher education too was done in some c grade college where there were 2 girls in a class of 50 students. I am convinced that you are jealous of those men who have good looks or great bodies. I am convinced that you yourself are some 5 feet 4 inches tall weight 59 kg type of a guy. Yes I am sure you are a guy. You have a huge complex about your own past, your upbringing, your education, your job and your looks. I can see that you are 29-32 year old, still unmarried or married to some ugly less-educated village girl whom you detest. You have a typical job where you earn some 17 thousand per month. I think you also suffer from liver problems (Jaundice perhaps).
With so many problems in your life, no wonder you are such an empty and frustrated person. Your real life being garbage you want to take the opposite avatar on the Internet. Here you are everything that you are not. Here you are argumentative, logical, wise, broad-minded, rich, friendly with a lot of girls :-p. In real life, you are none of this. Just forget about debating with Ullu, you are no match to him. The last time he debated with you above, he ripped apart whatever little points you had said. Interesting to see that after that you did not offer any fresh points to him. Instead, you started doing your analysis as it allowed you to remain visible on this page and be seen as an intelligent person. Your empty soliloquies here prove that. I want you to rename yourself to Frustrated Indian. You are frustrated, not argumentative. :-p
Shikha Agarwal
March 20, 2013 at 12:48 am
“…and “DO” other such attempts…” DO???
“….he ripped apart whatever little points you had “SAID”…..” SAID???
Oh Ullu-you know you’re not fooling anyone. I know this is you.
Maya
March 23, 2013 at 2:18 pm
If you see any abuse in that camel-confronted-by-mountain comment and equate that losing-at-home turf-feels like-smack-in-the-face comment with rape then you are a sick sick man. It is proof of your own psychology that you are so much frustrated regarding girls that anytime you see a girl losing somewhere your minds vividly imagines it to be a case of rape and you derive pleasure from it.
You are a truly depraved person. How low can you fall?
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Suffienctly to ensure that the chief fabricator on this message board is exposed, relentlessly.
Argumentative Indian
March 20, 2013 at 1:15 pm
It is you who is getting exposed here. You equate a smack with rape and relish in that imagination. And you admit it openly with a lot of glee.
Proud of your perversion?
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm
It is not pride, but the desire to not let a falsehood enjoy a long life, a desire to explore and perhaps expose what lies beneath, that drives one.
There is pervesion on this message board I grant.
Perversion is in the thoughts of he who would talk about others’ sister’s rapes, and then spend a thousand words, explaining for the ‘nth’ time, how he was creating empathy by alluring to such a brutal, albeit imaginary incident.
Perversion, I believe, is the domain of he who would smack on the face a lady (purportedly, one does not know for sure if the recipient of the imagination is one or the other, on the internet).
Perversion is the playground of he who repeatedly asserts his intellectual superiority, not through the rationale of his argument, or the integrity of his emotion, or the lucidity of his language but rather by repeatedly PROCLAIMING his superiority and repeatedly calling others names in a rather infantile effort, which by itself is not perversion, but is rendered so by the person’s complete belief in his own fabrications.
Argumentative Indian
March 20, 2013 at 5:57 pm
I have said it n no of times and will say it one more time, you are just too much of an idiot to see the difference between a question and an abuse.
The real perversion is when a person says the murder of two Indians does not matter as money has been paid. He talks as if the two Indians were chickens or vegetables.
The real perversion is when you say so much on after misreading me but do not say a word to someone who uses the foulest of abuses for me. THAT is perversion my dear.
All that I have said and am saying is that as Indians our blood should boil at the murder of two of our fellow brothers by Italians and the brazenness with which their govt has lied to us in helping its people escape. Perversion is when people refuse to see this is a problem, perversion is when people call me as a war-monger, as rabid, as a goon.
Your perversion is lying out here, in the open. It is very real.
My perversion exists only in your own perverted mind.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 10:20 pm
“….that you are SO MUCH frustrated …..” SO MUCH FRUSTRATED????
“….your MINDS vividly IMAGINES….” How many minds????
Oh Ullu-again, you know you’re not fooling anyone – I know who is “trying to remain” visible here
Maya
March 23, 2013 at 2:26 pm
It is time someone reined in this mad dog ullu. This sick psycho is vitiating the forum by his abusive language and hatred. I agree with Maya and Ashwini and all others before that this lunatic probably escaped from an asylum. Just look at the way the Argumentative Indian and others like Vipul argued without getting abusive. India is in this condition because of impotent frustrated goons like him – that every country treats us with disdain.
Italy went back on its word – Shameful. The shame is not on us – but on a country which couldn’t even abide by its commitment. Throw out the Italian ambassador. Look at Maldives – not even the size of Kerala – a country that was rescued once by India – dares to cock a snoop at us. We need to flex our muscles a bit and set an example somewhere. We all agree that something ought to be done. The question is what ?
Dinesh
March 19, 2013 at 1:37 pm
I also completely agree that India needs to assert herself as a country, especially on the be – heading of Indian soldiers. Every time I hear that, my blood boils. Further, this is not the first time that Indian soldiers, and thus India herself, has been tortured / insulted.
Some of our soldiers who had been captured stealthily, before commencement of hostilities at Kargil, were brutally tortured. I know torture is inhuman by definition, but what the Indian soldiers were subject to, is too gory to reproduce and is obviously the work of a rather sick mind. No Indian government, neither Atal Behari Vajpayeeji’s BJP led NDA goverment nor the following 2 terms of Congress led UPA government even bothered to raise the issue at the correct international fora, forget about reaching a conclusion on the matter.
India needs to take this up at the suitable international forums. Put the Pakistani army on the dock. Stop aid from various nations flowing to this army, till those specifically responsible are meted out the severest punishment under law, hopefully the death penalty. If India needs to take up a military solution to solve this issue, then so be it (I say the last with the clear guilt that I personally have little to lose, not being in the army myself and being too old to volunteer. However, our soldiers have their lives to lose in case of war, so that is indeed the last option, if one at all).
However, in case of the present Italian marines, I really feel we should let the Superme Court take its views instead of getting all livid and abusing each other. The present SC has shown in numerous cases, especially 2G, that it is not going to accept ‘Chalta Hai’.
I have full faith in our present SC.
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Sorry Boss. If a war is going to solve this problem once and for all – we must go to war with Pakistan. We have been bleeding slowly for too long. They have been sending terrorists and killing us all over India. For what they did in Mumbai, we didn’t do enough to teach them a lesson. This has to stop.
Dinesh
March 19, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Yes.
Argumentative Indian
March 19, 2013 at 4:49 pm
You are funny. All that you have said in your 2 comments here is exactly what Ullu Banati has been saying here right from the beginning but still you call him names and side with those who haven’t said much here.
I have read the whole discussion here, I can tell you that the persons you mentioned in your comment are not debating a bit. For eg, Maya here is happy to pick out one or two imaginary mistakes in the English of Ullu Banati when it is clear that Ullu is actually several levels higher than what the level of Maya is. Only once Maya said something about the topic and there too she got it wrong. I have seen that while Ullu Banati has replied strongly to every reply of Maya where she found some imaginary mistake but Maya has not even replied to the mistakes Ullu has pointed out in her grammar. Ashwini Sugandha can only misread, misunderstand and accuse Ullu of saying things which he never said. At one place here, Ullu systematically ripped apart all the points and accusations of Ashwini Sugandha here with a lot of finesse. I can hardly say anything nice for Vipul here. He is the one who started all this by saying that once the families have received the compensation from the Italians the whole things had ended. I mean, he equated death of our men with compensation. I don’t know about you and others but to me it is extremely perverse. Ullu was bang on target in asking Vipul if he would want money and not justice if his sister was raped. Argumentative Indian looks like a weak person. He can barely argue but likes to cover his shortcomings by doing analysis of the others. He actually reminds me of those wannabe detectives who want to be seen as intelligent and suave.
Having read this entire discussion and hoping that it has ended as Ullu Banati has not returned here, I can say that there is not one person here who has argued well here except Ullu. His comments are very long and his anger is scarily palpable but these are not valid grounds to criticize him. I see a clear lack of ability in people like Maya, Ashwini, The Soldier, Argumentative Indian and lastly Vipul in replying to Ullu.
You yourself say that you want action – you want India to flex her muscles. Ullu has been saying at the top of his voice just this. Unlike you, Ullu also gave some solutions. Hence I cannot see why you call him a mad dog, a sick psycho, a run away from some asylum, impotent, frustrated, a goon. To me it means either you are yourself all this as you too want some hard action to be taken like Ullu or that you are confused and cannot comment coherently. You want India to go to war, now this is extreme but when Ullu was talking about milder but concrete action you and others called him a mad dog, rabid and a goon. I want you to look inside yourself, think again and realize that you and others here have lots of confusion while Ullu comes out as a person who has a clear head and a much superior personality. He knows that the first step to solve a problem to see that problem. One can’t solve a problem if one doesn’t know there is a problem. You all suffer from this problem of not seeing and not willing to see the problem. On the other hand, Ullu, is in a different league altogether. Vastly superior, miles ahead of any of you here. The world treats us with disdain because of some of the other people here on this page, the world will respect and fear us due to people like Ullu.
Therefore, the question is, whom do you vote for? I vote for Ullu, don’t know about you.
Shikha Agarwal
March 20, 2013 at 12:17 am
yawnnnn… once again Ullu shamelessly writing in the name of another handle. It’s just too obvious… Same style. Over the top praise for Ullu within the text, and a bit of abuse thrown in as well. Ullu, you really have to work on your disguising skills. Or you can be a man, and fight fair.
dj
March 20, 2013 at 9:33 am
Thanks Shikha,
I know very well that these people are basically spineless people. They are cowards at worst and confused and easily overwhelmed at best. I do not know if you read it but Vipul here who started all this is such an asshole that he said the solution to solve this current Italian Marine issue is to get our Voter Card. Can you imagine? Isn’t that some kind of a poor joke? It is like to control the rising prices the govt asks us to brush twice daily. Makes no sense. This is the level of people like Vipul. The less I say for The Soldier and Maya the better. You must have seen Maya’s comments which are basically childish. The Soldier claims he is in the Indian Army but doesn’t even know that the Army uses INSAS as its standard weapon and not AK-47. It is clear that he said AK-47 as it is the most famous name of assault rifles, any kid knows that. What can we say for such pesky creatures.
Dinesh,
Whatever you say is what I have said here. If I am asking for a more aggressive and assertive Indian approach and others like Vipul and The Soldier say that I am over-reacting over a small issue, does it make me impotent or them? I leave it to you to think about it once again.
I dare you to show me one place where I have needlessly abused anyone here. Btw, you too have abused me here in your very first comment. Moreover, you copy all my opinions here, say them from your side and then label me as sick psycho. Ample proof of your class. So asshole, if you can’t come up with something original and can only copy then at least have the decency of acknowledging the source from where you lifted those opinions from. But how can I expect decency from you when you start your very first comment here by calling others sick psychos and impotent (I bet you don’t know what it means).
DJ,
You are hopeless. At least you should have the balls of coming in here and say something original here before asking me to fight fair (which I am doing anyways). You seem to be one of those who stand in the side while a crime happens and then go back home and tell your friends about the whole issue with glee. You are just a poor watcher. Poor poor fellow. You can’t even understand 5% of this whole issue and think that anyone who says a word for me must be me using a different alias.
Thanks Shikha, one thing is obvious. Those who have said something in my support are the ones who can think an type more than 10 words. Those who are on the other side are like DJ and Maya who can’t say anything meaningful at all. Others like Vipul cannot answer simple questions, people like The Soldier and Ashwini can’t even read well and people like Argumentative Indian and interested in incoherent mutterings.
It is like a bunch of kids trying to argue with a few PhD scholars. The kids are too insecure and can’t deal with the pressure so they keep shifting the focus of the debate by talking about the socks the scholars are wearing instead of talking about the main topic.
DJ, first have the courage of saying something meaningful here, you drama can come in later.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 12:18 pm
People agreeing or disagreeing with each other’s views on an internet forum is very uncommon.
However, people, spending approximately 1 hour 20 minutes (from 12:17 am to 1:37 am on Mar 20, 2013) systematically defending & praising the posts of one specific individual by name, and attacking, belittling and attempting to tear down the posts of any and everyone not in agreement with the above referred specific individual is very, very common.
Regardless, what is more common is that the person who defends and the person who posts the original posts that are being defended, display an affinity for posting at the same time of the day (or night depending upon the geography).
Indeed the above is a pure coincidence, the voter and the one she (?) portends to vote for, are one and the same person.
Argumentative Indian
March 20, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Another post, another typo. Apologies, if anyone is reading that is, I really doubt.
“are one and the same person.” = are NOT one and the same person.
Argumentative Indian
March 20, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Now what Argumentative Indian? What is your excuse this time for this typo? Last time it was Old age or Drowsiness or Laziness, what new excuse this time?
Your problem is that you cannot handle anything that is more complex than the learning the table of 10. Your mind spins like a top on real-world topics and you are compelled to somehow come up with comments which are mostly nonsense and then you look and re-look at your comments to fee l good at your effort that “Yay, look at this comment of mine, I had the ability to reply to someone who is so much more intelligent than me” and just then you see your various mistakes in those comments. Then sheepishly you try to cover them up by pointing them out yourself before anyone else does.
This behaviour of yours also gets reflected in your other alias by the name of Maya. There you do nothing else except pointing out some small mistake in my English. I had told you that you lack imagination. So in your other alter ego you do just what you do in your real life i.e pointing out spelling mistakes and other grammar mistakes. A corroboration is seen in your somewhat rich style of commenting where you say simpler things in overtly sculpted style.
Argumentative Indian, you have been posting here under another alias by the name of Maya and have used other aliases too. You are a cheater.
Maya/Meena/DJ = Other aliases of Argumentative Indian = Another alias of someone else.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Dear Ullu,
How can u be wannabe and a detective – hahahahaha!!! :D
(caught ya – isn’t that what you said in your post of March 18, 2013 at 2:01 pm)
And you obviously would vote for yourself you idiot!!
Maya
March 23, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Dear Ullu,
“…At least you should have the balls OF coming in here and SAY something original here before asking me to fight fair (which I am doing anyways)….”
OF COMING HERE AND SAY SOMETHING ORIGINAL???? “Here” – word repitition – bad sentence construction! And ‘anyways’? Yeeesh ;)
Maya
March 23, 2013 at 2:35 pm
ROFL! I’ve been following this comment thread and it’s been getting quite predictable in the kind of replies and reactions posted by UB (and his alter egos). But Ph.D scholars? Wow! I didn’t see that one coming.
meenu
March 20, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Argumentative Indian:
You said that “People agreeing or disagreeing with each other’s views on an internet forum is very uncommon.”
It is YOU who has been agreeing wholeheartedly with anything said by anyone here against me. Looks like it is the same person who has been posting against me here using different aliases.
By your own logic Vipul, The Soldier, Dinesh, Maya, Ashwini Sugandh and above all YOU are one and the same person.
As time has passed it has been difficult for this one person to maintain to many alter egos and so he/she thought to let go of the other less useful aliases such as The Soldier and focus on only one i.e Argumentative Indian.
It is also clear that it was difficult for him/her to say the same thing in different ways using diff aliases so he/she introduced a girl by the name of Maya who will not say anything about the main topic but will instead attack my language skill, a sort of a red herring. Poor alias of Maya was beaten black and blue using her own approach and you thought of retiring her too.
All along, you thought to belittle those who support me so you had one puppet DJ ready who would come in and say that my supporters here are just me with a diff alias. Very interesting to note that Maya, DJ and Ashwini Sughandh hardly said anything about the topic but talked about other things. You just lacked the brain and creativity to handle so many aliases after all.
I am 100% sure that this Meenu too is another of your alias. Another alias of you who can’t and won’t say anything about the topic but will instead say something else to shift the focus.
I don’t know which among you is the real one. The important thing is, each and every one of you has been rebutted sufficiently and has left this place with a sore bottom. Argumentative Indian too has been exposed but he wants to be exposed even more, to the point of being publicly naked. Would be my pleasure.
I really do not know what to say for Shikha’s comment. It is indeed common for 1 person on a message board to side with another person on some topic. What is uncommon is that 5-6 apparently different people gang up together and attack one person.
Tell me what is more suspicious?
One person agreeing with another person
OR
Several persons agreeing totally with each other and disagreeing and attacking totally another person?
I guess the latter raise more doubts. Thus by your own logic, it turns out that Argumentative Indian, Maya, Ashwini Sughandh, Meena, Vipul, The Sodlier, DJ are various aliases of the same person who btw is not sure of what his/her real identity is.
I am laughing at you Argumentative Indian. You are wasted.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 2:01 pm
“People agreeing or disagreeing with each other’s views on an internet forum is very uncommon.”
Sarcasm.
Please feel free to Google.
Argumentative Indian
March 20, 2013 at 4:57 pm
ON THE SAME PERSON POSTING UNDER DIFFERENT ALIASES:
There are vast differences, not only in the writing styles but in the conceptual approach adopted by the people posting under the above listed aliases / handles / nicknames or perhaps their given names.
Further there are disagreements among the said people.
Moreover, there is absence of unconditonal praise for one another.
What exists, is agreement on some points and disagreement on others, this is not uncommon in human society.
(Disclaimer for the feeble minded, regardless of their own delusions of intellectual superiority: I am NOT being sarcastic here).
Thus it is very improbable that all above are one and the same person, if indeed such had been the case, then it would indeed a charade worthy of praise.
ON DIFFERENT ALIASES GANGING UP ON A SINGLE PERSON:
Again the perpetual victim, symptoms common to a certain group of people, who feel ALMOST everyone is against them, from the Israelis to Indian Hindus, from the Swiss to the French & from the Americans to the Australians.
Anyway, I digress.
In the present instance, it is possible that the personal attacks by a certain person, may have induced similar feelings of revulsion in a number of people from different demographies.
Unity in dislike. Perhaps.
Argumentative Indian
March 20, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Absence of unconditional praise for each other among you?
Not only did Ashiwni Sugandh began his/her comments by excessive praises of Vipul and The Soldier, he/she also did the same when you introduced your new alias of Maya here. Not one of you has said anything against the original troll here Vipul who started all this. Not one of you.
I have posted several points here which handle this issue in nearly all its angles but not one of you has the time or intelligence to go through them and to even reply to them. But you and your other aliases such as Maya have all the time to do my psychological analysis and my English’s analysis. Clearly you are not honest in your approach and your sole aim here is to somehow pull me down. This is what incompetent people do. When they cannot defeat the arguments of the other side they try to sully his/her image somehow.
Your tendency to write your comments in a style that makes you appear knowledgeable is laughable. You can’t say anything original and so randomly keep saying “I agree” and “I don’t agree” to the points made by others here. You think being cryptic is a nice way of leaving an impression that you are saying things which are complex but what is cryptic to you is foolish to others.
For eg, you said “People agreeing or disagreeing with each other’s views on an internet forum is very uncommon.”
This is a comment that means neither this nor that. It is a comment that moves nothing nowhere. When I showed how foolish you are then you tried to add cryptically that this was a sarcasm. The problem is, whether it was sarcasm or witty or anything else, it still doesn’t mean anything. Your advice to use google is another attempt to somehow shift the burden on the other side to find the true meaning of your musings since it will allow you to hide your inherent foolishness.
There have been NO real personal attacks by me here. Your mind is way toooo thick to distinguish between abuse and questions. Each time you repeat your lie your brains gets a bit fatter.
You are a liar. You are incompetent at even the basics of arguing. You do not know that you are supposed to first read what the other side is saying before you reply. Tragedy is that when you could not handle me on your own, you decided to create several aliases here to attack me form different positions. Ashwini acts touchy, The Soldier acted prudish, Maya acted like a wannabe Grammar Nazi and you are well you.
Your repeated attempts to defend Maya and propensity to reply to what I have said to Ashwini is clear sign that you cannot stop yourself from defending your dear aliases from my strong rebuttals to them. They are your aliases after all :-p
You defended Maya from me and Shikha caught your lie there bu telling you that you were not telling the full picture there. You nodded in agreement with Dinesh who was saying just what I was saying. These are Freudian Slips. You are trying hard to put a brave front here by using all your fancy and cryptic style but your heart knows that what I say is the real truth here and you cannot keep yourself from agreeing to it. So you had to make a new alias of Dinesh you repeated everything I had said here but still abused me to the worst levels possible. That bastard was your attempt to attack me even as you were agreeing with me.
I have taken each and every one of your aliases here and dismantled them. This is because you can manage your aliases only to a certain level. You only so so much of English to attack my language skills. The moment others pointed out your flaws in English you had to remove that alias with the excuse that papa has confiscated the laptop. Ridiculous.
In your alias of Ashwini you tried to play the mis-quote game with me but I gave a resounding reply there and then you retired that alias too. But you entered that thread using your current alias to somehow save the face of Ashwini. You had no business to defend Maya and Ashwini if they are unique person. That you did that shows you, Maya and Ashwini are the same person with different aliases.
I cannot decide what is more shameful. That you i.e the original spineless person who thinks that this issue was over once blood money was paid or you being so pathetic and incompetent that you had to create 5-6 different aliases to debate with me.
Incidentally, none of your aliases ever actually debated with me. NONE. It is clearly absence of skill and knowledge on your part that renders you incapable of arguing well.
Like I said in the past, you know very well that you cannot argue a bit. To cover up your deficiencies, you chose the moniker Argumentative Indian and adopted a style where you use needlessly enriched sentences to be seen as wiser and informed.
If you really were that good at arguing and really serious and honest in your approach then you would not have dismissed the Marine’s case as an error of judgement and you would have responded to that comment of mine where I properly established how it was AT LEAST Manslaughter Due To Gross Negligence which in Indian Law will be AT LEAST Culpable Homicide Not Amounting To Murder and in all likelihood the court will say it is Culpable Homicide Amounting to Murder.
It is plain obvious so admit that you used various aliases here while talking to me and save your face here. AT least you will get some points for being remorseful.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 10:10 pm
“Not only did Ashiwni Sugandh BEGAN his/her comments by EXCESSIVE PRAISES OF Vipul and The Soldier, he/she also did the same when you introduced your NEW ALIAS OF Maya here.”
“… you cannot keep yourself from agreeing TO IT…” TO IT?????
“…alias OF Dinesh…” OF Dinesh????
Arrey baba, I’m still here. Papa did confiscate my laptop! :( Also, you do realize that everyone’s not vela like you. I have other work – you know, studies? I’m aiming for your high paying job – with a bigger paypacket of course, so that I CAN become vela like you!! ;)
How can I be a wannabe and a Grammar Nazi – hahahahaha!!! :D (isn’t that what you said in your post of March 18, 2013 at 2:01 pm)
Maya
March 23, 2013 at 3:42 pm
“in the present instance, it is possible that the personal attacks by a certain person, may have induced similar feelings of revulsion in a number of people from different demographies.”
Absolutely.
Alfred
March 21, 2013 at 1:49 pm
“….by the name OF Maya….” Name OF Maya?????
Maya
March 23, 2013 at 3:37 pm
sorry, it didn’t look to me like this is the forum to hold any constructive discussion on this topic.
meenu
March 20, 2013 at 2:42 pm
1. Secretly compiles all the cool content from this continent of comments
2. Publishes a Chetan Bhagat like book
3. Becomes rich and famous
Thank you UT, and of course thank you UB! *breaks into tears*
Maya, you the maaan!! *brofist err..sissyfist err..whatever!* :D
Asli Grammar Nazi
March 20, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Aaahh, One more alias huh?
Once again praising another alias of yours?
You did this for Ashwini too and tried to defend Maya using your Argumentative Indian alias.
You created one more alias to defend your poor alias of Maya? :-p
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Abe Ullu bhowsdike, can’t you freaking figure out the difference between the tone of a chick and a guy for heaven’s sake!! I am no alias for anyone, i come here to kill all those who wage a war on grammar; and you my friend are Public Enemy no. 1 on that front.
As for the brofist i offered to Maya, it was because i found her comments kind of funny; in the same manner as i found yours lame! (Abe langda nahi saale, ‘lame’ matlab ghatiya) :D
Asli Grammar Nazi
March 21, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Your language is proof enough of what you are. Worse than trash. you came her to kill others? The only you should kill is your very own self.
Maya’s comments are funny indeed, she is a clown after all. :-p
Ullu Banati
March 22, 2013 at 2:04 pm
HEY!! No advertisers on this space yet? Awkwaaarddd!!
This Ullu guy could be the brand ambassador for Revital or something. Whaaat energy saaaar!! Aapke akhand level ke chutiyaape ka fan hogaya hoon, kahan se laate ho ye aprampaar ghussa?
Asli Grammar Nazi
March 20, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Mera naam ullu hai aur main ek madarchod hoon.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 9:54 pm
My god. This has to be the low point of this thread.
Argumentative Indian/Maya/Ashwini blah blah whosoever among you is your real and primary identity, now you have resorted to this?
I guess you perversion is now kicking inside you to come out. You could not control it for much huh?
Using a moniker similar to mine to post such comments and feeling good about it?
You were never too much at arguing, I knew that. I knew you were a shallow perverted person but I did not know you were THIS low.
A while back, you had said you can fall to any level. I now see what you meant by that.
Ullu Banati
March 20, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Maya tum sangharsh karo, hum tumhare saath hai
Jab tak sooraj chaand rahega Ullu tu badnam rahega
Maya's fan
March 21, 2013 at 1:18 am
Yet another comment by yet another alias of Maya who in turn is yet another alias of some great soul.
Ullu Banati
March 22, 2013 at 7:20 pm
@everyone: why are people still posting here? everyone please get outta here and let this delusional guy continue the thread talking to his aliases. i’m sure after a while he will get tired of defending himself and come up with something more original like argue against his points and do a kartik calling kartik. i’m sure he pretty much does that all the time all over the web and in life too. probably sends himself gifts too from various “fans” congratulating him on winning the debate.
@UB: you were soooo insistent on being original in your earlier comments and mocking people for not having a viewpoint and specifically, original viewpoints. how come you are now latching on to this alias guess work? it was started by someone on the other boat (i forget who exactly). also, since you brought freud into this, you do know that your comments so far looks like you are covering up for your shortcoming in ‘something’ with this false (and failed) projection of yourself as this super intelligent guy with lots of fans, right? ego defence mechanisms? :D
meenu
March 21, 2013 at 11:13 am
Yet another lie or rather a straw man point. Nowhere did I say that people here have to have original point of views. Everyone can have his/her own point of views. But I have the right to call some of those point of views are shameful just as someone else has the right to call my point of view as over-reaction. I have that right. This is something lost on some of you here. In particular, a point of view that says that this issue is a small incident and is over after money was paid has to be downright shambolic. Only a total loser can think something like this. This is something for which few people here have said anything. I was the one who criticized that person Vipul for saying this and surprisingly someone else found me as abusive for this but did not find Vipul as a loser, as an asshole for saying what he did. Instead, persons like The Soldier openly sided with Vipul and called him calm. Sometimes people mistake cowardice for calmness. I still hold that Vipul is an asshole, The Soldier is not a real soldier but was making it all up and that someone down the line started playing here using several aliases). I cannot believe that every time a new person would come in, he would start abusing me and would say nothing for Vipul and would comment with the sole objective of somehow showing me in poor light.
This person used several aliases and several tactics to attack me. He/She attacked my family, my upbringing, my diet, my health, my financial condition, everything about me. Too bad that he/she ended up giving more clues about his/her own life. The tactic of attacking my English was laughable as it was a desperate way to somehow find something wrong about me and backfired when I and someone else here showed him/her the mirror by pointing out terrible mistakes in his/her English. The impedance/impediment incident is notable here. You might have seen it.
There was no debate here. The other side hardly said anything and did not read what I had said. Ego defense mechanisms indeed are in use here. But it is the other side that is doing this. The other side even tried to use my own moniker here to post hindi gaalis for me.
I would have taken you a bit more seriously had you said something for those who have abused me here. That you said nothing about that shows your double standards here. You are no better provided you are a different person at all.
Ullu Banati
March 22, 2013 at 2:59 pm
“……..Nowhere did I say that people here have to have original point of views. Everyone can have his/her own point of views. But I have the right to call some of those point of views are shameful just as someone else has the right to call my point of view as over-reaction….” POINT OF VIEWS, POINT OF VIEWS, POINT OF VIEWS????? 3 times dude…..next time make sure you write it correctly. There’s always one ‘point of view’ and many ‘points of view’ ;)
And this is the masterpiece (*sarcasm*) in the current post – “……his is something lost on some of you here. In particular, a point of view that says that this issue is a small incident and is over after money was paid has to be downright shambolic. …” SHAMBOLIC??? Do you even know what shambolic means? Or do you simply pick up the Thesaurus, flip through the pages, then cover your eyes and move the index finger over the page for 10 seconds and then stop, and use the word that your index finger is pointing to? Quite like what you did with impedance!!! :D
“…..but did not find Vipul as a loser, as an asshole for saying what … “ Find Vipul AS a loser, AS an asshole?????
“…..about me and backfired when I and someone else here…..” You should say “someone else and I” :P ;)
Maya
March 23, 2013 at 4:42 pm
You left in a mangled state when the last time you were shown the mirror here, just like it was shown to Ashwini Sugandha. Like him/her, you too went quiet for a while, desperately looked for some more tips from Wren n Martin or perhaps some vernacular edition of some such book and tried to come up with one limp comment came after analyzing my comments 15 times to come up with THIS? “Points of View” vs “Point of Views”? You lack of familiarity with the word “Impedance” showed you sucked at basic Physics in your school days and now you prove to us that you are not that good in basic Maths too.
I can argue and establish here that Point of Views is a better term than Points of View. I can present arguments ranging from popular usage to pure mathematical concepts to psychological analysis to intuitive usage to standard sentence making rules. But why should I argue like that with a buffalo like you? You are much too a slave of your shoddy-grammar based outlook which makes you a wannabe grammar nazi. Tragedy is that even on your own chosen turf, you get thrashed resoundingly.
You STILL have not been able to learn that new word “Impedance”, you are still stuck on it after sooooo many days Miss Maya Tubelight aka Asli Grammanr Nazi. You can’t even understand words like SHAMBOLIC in full and blindly/blatantly/desperately ask me if I knew what it means? Let me guess, you saw that word in my comment, googled it and read about its meaning, then your gooey brain made some kooky sense of it all and thus was born this epic comment of yours.
A long time back I had asked you if you knew the difference between “Amusing” and “Bemusing”. I am amused to see it bemused you. But you don’t even know uncountable nouns so I should have known better.
Maya, forget about being a Grammar Nazi, you suck at being even a Wannabe Grammar Nazi. You suck so much you suck at being a sucker.
PS:- I am certain that you would not reply from now on. If you do then it would be yet another limp comment pointing out some vague flaw of my comment for which you would no doubt give yourself one more pat. That’s your ceiling. (Hey it doesn’t mean you need to look up LOL).
Ullu Banati
March 24, 2013 at 2:56 am
I can’t believe this thread is still running! :) I’d quit after saying what I had to say the other day, but a friend drew my attention back to it – apparently Ullu Banati’s egocentric, maniacal and hysterical posts here are acquiring cult status on the Net!
Hey Meenu, join the gang. I suspect we’re all continuing to post here for the same reason that you returned despite the initial shock you experienced at reading Ullu Banati’s madness – it’s addictive :D
Hello Ullu, I’d like to clarify that I’m not Argumentative Indian’s alter ego. If you had an iota of intelligence you would have been able to spot the differences in writing style, issues discussed, tone, etc between posts by AI, The Soldier, Vipul, DJ, Maya, me and whoever else you’d like to club with us. After pretending to be Shikha, haven’t you figured out how tough it is to pretend to be someone else, even when you are using an alias?! :)
Also, you Owl, since you are incapable of reading between the lines or detecting sarcasm, nuance and subtlety, I’d like to spoon feed you my interpretation of young Maya: you twit, haven’t you realised that her dissection of your English and refusal to comment on the other points you’ve raised are her way of telling you that you don’t deserve to be taken seriously?
Another thing: you are right. I’m not a PhD. I’m a mere post-graduate, but I intend to correct that situation in the next 10 years, at which point I shall return to this website and no doubt find you still here, raving and ranting about the persecution you have faced for “doing something” about the Italian Marines case while other useless Indians like Vipul “merely commented” on the Internet. That armchair of yours must be badly dented by your derriere by now! :) :)
Dear Unreal Times, I BEG YOU not to close this section to comments EVER. If you do, you will have to start a de-addiction centre.
Signing off with deepest affection for Ullu,
Ashwini Sugandha
March 21, 2013 at 1:00 pm
I spent quite some time reading this and Man – it is really ridiculous to see one person hogging the thread with abuse and venom. But I must say one thing about Ullu and his many aliases ( One can see the same style) – you really have lot of anger and frustration at this Italian episode. You spent a lot of time answering people and defending yourself. Arey – you started out in the wrong foot by attacking vipul and now you are forced to defend yourself against the natural backlash.
Take it easy man.You rant so much about just one incident. There are plenty of reasons right now to raise our voices.
In the same voice, I must congratulate all others who faced so much of abuse and still maintained their dignity and spoke in decent language. To me it spells hope – there are still people who are not cowed down in the face of so much of abusive language. It is a positive sign in all this cacophony.
Alfred
March 21, 2013 at 1:44 pm
I challenge you to point out where exactly have I abused “all others” except Vipul. On the other hand, almost every person here has abused me to the best of their abilities. This is one benefit of using many aliases. A lie has reached adolescence while the truth is still in its infancy.
If you were a different person and had read the comments with a fresh perspective then you would not have said that I was hogging the thread with abuse and venom. There has been little or no abuse from my side even though various people here have called me rabid, maniac, lunatic, mad dog, sick psycho, uneducated, from a poor family etc etc etc. Not just this, others have stooped to the level of abusing me by using Hindi gaalis too. The only person for whom I used a somewhat abusive word was asshole which is no where close to any of these words used for me by these people. These people have vitiated the entire place here, and have used the worst of word for me. They are here with one objective only – to ridicule me and attack me in the most undignified way.
I cannot see why some people can over-react to this extent if I called someone an asshole but cannot react to what that asshole said for the original incident here, which, in his eyes is a small incident and is over after money was paid. If people side with such a person and do not chastise him for being insensitive then something is wrong in their heads.
Vipul had said I was over-reacting. While my reaction may or may not have been excessive but what these people have done here is supreme over-reaction. I called Vipul an asshole and look at all these people (assuming they all are different people cos they all really are the same person with diff aliases). I do not see either Argumentative Indian, or Ashwini or Maya or anyone else saying anything to the person Asli Grammar Nazi here who has gone down to the lowest levels here.
Reason? All that has been said by one person only. He used different aliases here and keeps on creating new ones to go down to the lowest of low levels. If you were a different person then you would have seen all this. You would have said something for the misquotings Ashwini Sugandha attributed to me. You would have said something for how Dinesh abused me here and yet conceded how he agreed with what I had said for the original issue. Either you were swayed by the falsehoods propagated by these people (this person actually) or you are yet another alias of this very person.
Whatever I am, I am glad I am not one of you.
Ullu Banati
March 22, 2013 at 2:39 pm
No one’s saying anything to the others abusing you, because when a nasty man throws a stone at a mad dog, people usually feel that the mad dog was asking for it – they don’t go chastising the nasty man for his behaviour
dj
March 23, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Exactly my point. Vipul was this ‘mad dog’ that you mentioned in your comment as he was the one who was asking for being called an asshole. He was the one who said this issue was over after money was paid.
The first proper comment of your life kid and it hits you back in your bum. You should think more before commenting. Ah, thinking and you? Sorry sorry.
Ullu Banati
March 24, 2013 at 3:43 am
Alternate Reality 101:
QUOTE: “Exactly my point. Vipul was this ‘mad dog…” UNQUOTE.
So what are the qualities of a ‘mad dog’?
If Vipul’s own behaviour is anything to go by, then the answer to the abvoe is:
Analyzing a situation, appealing for moderate reaction, answering to personal abuse (“asshole”) in a calm and polite tone!
Argumentative Indian
March 25, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Once again a comment from you where you try to save the ass of an asshole by trying to make it look as if Vipul had said something nice in his first comment.
For Vipul, you say…
1. “Analyzing the situation” —
What situation? He saw no situation there. The situation for him was over after blood-money was paid. As per Vipul, murder of two men can be settled by paying money. Others saw it as two separate events of Murder + Escape but in the eyes of Vipul, the Murder was a settled deal and the Escape was just one of the myriad of problems India was/is facing and so did not need too much attention from us. Analyzing the situation my foot.
2. “Appealing for moderate reaction” —
Neither he nor you have or can explain why should moderate reaction be seen as a must-have at all times. Why should one react “moderately” when a country lies to our country? The moment people like you “appeal for moderate reaction” it looks like you are making fun of the deaths of the two Indians. It is as if these two men mean nothing to you. Would you have still “appealed for moderate reaction” if it was your brother or father who had been killed like this and the killer allowed to escape? Forgte about being shot dead, what if a drunk driver had run his car over your father and reduced him to a pulp? Would one still see “a moderate reaction” from you? Undoubtedly now you would accuse me of abusing your father/brother just as you have been accusing me of abusing Vipul’s sister when I had asked him if he would accept honour-money and settle the case if someone rapes his sister. You fancy yourself as being argumentative and can’t differentiate between an argument and abuse? Your inability is your problem, not mine. If Vipul can equate Two Murders with Money then why can’t I even ask a question where I equate Money with his sister’s dignity? Of cource my question was highly objectionable from the outset but that’s cos I had based it on the highly objectionable stand that Vipul had taken. Why blame me then? I see it as a case of a direct question that Vipul was not able to answer. An honest answer would have exposed the hollowness of his ridiculous stand her and a dishonest answer would have meant he was no more than a pimp of his sister. Go ahead, you can again accuse me of abusing his sister here, that would be another sign of your terrific grasping skills.
3. “Answering to a personal abuse (“asshole”) in a calm and polite tone!” —
You and your other alter egos here like Ashwini Sugandha, The Soldier, Maya etc give way too much importance to the word asshole, esp cos Vipul was not called asshole undeservedly. He is a certified asshole. A person who shamelessly equates Human Life with Money deserves to be called much worse words than just “asshole”.
To call Vipul an asshole is actually insulting all the assholes of the world.
If “asshole” is a personal abuse then what about “madarchod” and “bhowsdike”? Or do you see them as fair-words here? I have been called that by Asli Grammar Nazi who clearly is another name under which Maya posts here and btw Maya is another name under which you post here and so on …
You brain sees “asshole” and a question that talks hypothetically as abuses of Vipul’s sister but apparently your brain does not see anything wrong when someone else directly abuses my mother here (cos it was you yourself who posted that comment under a diff name to vent out your frustration).
Ullu Banati
March 26, 2013 at 1:22 am
The analogy of the car running over one’s near ones and the consequent reaction, is rather apt in the context of the Italian marines’ killing of two human beings, who are incidentally, Indians.
Finally, some sense is dawning.
If a car ran over my father or brother or sister, or my daughter, whom I love above all else, I would be grief stricken. However, my first reaction would NOT be to bay for the blood of the driver.
First analysis of the situation, then reaction. Was the driver drunk, was s/he overspeeding? Were my near and dear one’s Jay Walking? Lot of questions to be settled.
The above reaction is the difference between a rabble rouser and an educated person.
The rape analogy is incorrect, regardless of who is the victim, because rape is a pre – mediated crime. It CANNOT be an accidental crime.
Someone said ‘what if he raped your sister mistaking her to be someone else/’ or thereabouts. Regardless of who is finally raped, the very crime is intentional, the perpetrator set out to RAPE, the intended victim in the above hypothetical situation may not have been the actual victim, but still rape is a rape. The Error of Judgement here is in identifying the victim, NOT in the act in itself.
Hence, the Italian Marines act of killing two Indians, can be compared to someone running a car over and killing two people. The driver could have been drunk or sober and driving rashly, in both cases it is a crime, not an accident. However the Italian Marines act of killing two Indians cannot be compared to raping anyone.
I’m sorry to say, it is a perverse mind that jumps to visions of rape, from a totally unrelated matter. Some meditation is requisite.
Why Moderation?
Moderation in the present instance, because we are, despite the presence of some to the contrary, a largely civilzed people. Not a WEAK country, just civilized.
I do not subscribe to moderation as a universal panacea. That is merely a solution for the lazy.
Rather, I would have liked to see India drag the Pakistani Generals to the international courts pronto on account of the beheading of Indian soldiers and much before that, for the torture of Indian soldiers captured at Kargil.
Rather, I would have liked to see India, hit Union Carbide Inc. of US, for billions of dollars, and extract the correct punitive damage for the mass murder at Bhopal, because that is what it was. Along with action against the employees of UC, I would have also liked to see India, throw into prison ALL those Indian ‘government servants’ who willing looked the other way when UC was flouting all safety norms, beginning with the factory inspector.
Finally, repeatedly accusing the Argumentative Indian of posting under other sobriquets, despite glaring evidence to the contrary, as has been pointed out by the accused himself, is akin to Pakistan accusing India of all that is wrong with Pakistan. The result is there for everyone to see, to rephrase a well known quote, ‘If there is a hell on earth, Hamin astu, hamin astu, hamin ast..’
Argumentative Indian
April 16, 2013 at 10:56 am
“A lie has reached adolescence while the truth is still in its infancy.” Wah wah wah, have to hand it to you…the out of work wannabe writer has now come of age!!! What a classic piece of literature that is. I am proud of you m’boy! ;)
Oh but, alas……here I have to go again!
“…These people have vitiated the entire place here, and have used the worst of word for me…..” Which word was that dude?? ;)
“You would have said something for the misquotings Ashwini Sugandha attributed to me.” FOR the MISQUOTINGS?????
Maya
March 23, 2013 at 4:08 pm
To find that thing, read comments at March 21, 2013 at 12:25 pm and March 20, 2013 at 9:54 pm.
Both of them were by Asli Grammar Nazi which incidentally, is an alias of you only and you are an alias being used by Ashwini Sugandha who was used as an alias by Argumentative India who in turn is an alias of … forget it.
Maya, your comments are either very lame or very abusive as these two comments show. In both these cases, you are painting a very poor picture of yourself. Keep painting it. I don’t mind.
Ullu Banati
March 26, 2013 at 2:23 am
Damm you Ashwini for that last paragraph! I was about to give Ullu my 2 cents on how he has made this page his own circus, inadvertently entertaining all those who drop by, but you just summed it up so well man; have nothing more to add. :)
P.S: Ullu with his limited comprehension abilities probably thinks i abused you and have sided with him. ROFL!!
P.P.S: Dear Ullu, If you still haven’t figured it out, I am ridiculing YOU and your gang, not the other party. :)
Asli Grammar Nazi
March 21, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Piece of shit aka Asli Grammar Nazi aka Maya aka someone else….
You are yourself an asshole fit for ridicule, why would I ever want to be associated with you?
It is you who has limited comprehension skills cos no comment of mine states or implies that I was happy to see your comments. Your comments are full of the worst of abuse. You also posted a comment using my moniker where you showed your deprivation of a good upbringing.
Tell me, was it your mother who taught you all those gaalis or was it your grandmother? On second thoughts, no thanks, I don’t want to know. Who would want to know about the family of a rotten jar of sewage like you.
If you think you are saying anything useful or notable or pointed here then you are hallucinating.
Time for you to go back to your sty.
Ullu Banati
March 22, 2013 at 8:49 pm
“…. the worst of abuse….”
There were many comments as you pointed out but they were full of only one ABUSE????
Maya
March 23, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Is this the best from you? Feeling good at typos?
Maya, your ambition level is really low and exists in a totally different quadrant.
Ullu Banati
March 26, 2013 at 2:02 am
ROFLMAO… funniest post in the entire forum. The last para did more damage than all of Ullu’s posts put together!
BK
March 21, 2013 at 3:11 pm
1. I said — “On one hand you say this is a serious issue…” (March 18, 2013 at 5:48 pm)
You read it as —
“I see that you’ve written here that I said it’s not a serious issue! Liar!” (March 19, 2013 at 12:33 am)
2. I used he/she for you and you think that I think you are a woman.
After giving us this incontrovertible proof of your undeveloped mind, you came back again? Probably you had gone for some IQ tonic/capsule after I had exposed your blatant lies here. Too bad those tonics helped you for just one comment. :-(
After I caught you lying here you want to save face and this forces you to post made up stories about me. This is why you misquote me again and again (and I expose them again and again :-D).
If you are a post-graduate then you must have completed that course after a no of repeat examinations (or is your degree a Munna Bhai degree?). You can’t read a single sentence correctly, how can one expect you to have understood your text-books? Just to drill it in your dull brain, I did not call for others to do something here in the start. My first comment was simply a case of expression of my outrage. There was nothing else there. The point of “Doing Something” was made by Vipul whose own BRILLIANT “Doing Something” solution was that To-Solve-This-Italian-Marine-Case-Let’s Have-Our-Voters-Card. That makes Vipul a legend twice over.
It looked to me that Maya was a teacher in some squalid kindergarten school working at some paltry salary, her frustration showed in her comments. Spending some time under the tutelage of that school (but not under her) will benefit you a lot.
One final thing, pls increase the dosage of your brain tonic. Its not working :-p
Ullu Banati
March 22, 2013 at 8:31 pm
“…..to do something here in the start….” IN THE START???? What was IN IT?? ;)
I apparently work at a squalid kindergarten …. How would it benefit Ashwini? Now you’re talking like a confused loony, yet again.
I think (and others here share my views), that you’re the one who needs the brain tonic. :D
Maya
March 23, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Ah, same old Maya. Still stuck in her limitations. You can’t go past prepositions and typos right? That is all you got miss. Each time you try to go beyond your ceiling, you end up saying something that shows that your ceiling is rather lowly.
“How would it benefit Ashwini” — Again you’ve hit your ceiling, your brain freezes the moment you have to read two sentences one after the other. Tch Tch. Anyways :-p, to know this, give a break to your routine of finding faults in each sentence and try to spend some time in actually reading sentence by sentence. Remember, tough passages can be cracked by reading them repeatedly. Ohhh, please do not now ask me how can a passage CRACK as if it was an egg.
I am sorry for the brain tonic jibe. I admit that it is me who needs a brain tonic. That is cos I have a brain after all. You and your other aliases here viz Ashwini Sugandha, Argumentative Indian etc do not need a brain tonic. It is meaningless for you. There is no dosage of any brain tonic that can help people like you – you got no brains to begin with :-D :-D :-D
PS:- Did you notice the “It is me” thingy above? I expect a comment from you regarding this. From a wannabe Grammar Nazi like you, I can see a tame mumbling at most but nothing coherent about it. You can not go beyond this level after all. And do not ask me again how studying in your school will help Ashwini – you will only show that Ashwini is not good enough for even your school provided Maya and Ashwini Sugandha are two diff persons.
Ullu Banati
March 26, 2013 at 2:00 am
One Keralian-indian fisherman killed…. this much of impact. but 500 tamil-indian fishermen killed by sri lankan… no issue is raised by Indian Prime minister.
a CBI raid is done by CBI officails on Stalin – exFriend at 6am. PM is responding to media As soon as possible. but his countrymen 500+ tamil fishermen are killed almost. daily they were attacked. their things are robbered by srilankan navy. tamil nadu CM is writing letter daily. but PM or Sonia are doing nothing.
pious
March 22, 2013 at 7:56 am
The CBI raids on Stalin took place yesterday while this article is several days old, talks about the Italian Marine’s case and therefore the comments are about that issue. We cannot talk about all the things at one place, we got to take each issue on its own and decide how to react to it.
That said, I agree India has not done enough to help our Tamil fishermen who are routinely taken by Sri Lanka and has tried to ignore their plight.
The whole point behind this long debate here was that India is taken a bit too lightly by other nations whether it is Sri Lanka or Maldives or Pakistan or Italy. Sadly, for some people here this is not a serious enough issue. For them, anyone who is outraged at such issues is over-reacting, is a warmonger, is rabid, is a mad dog, a runaway from some asylum etc. They want us to look for the BIG PICTURE.
Ullu Banati
March 22, 2013 at 7:39 pm
I have been an avid reader of the UT but commenting first time……
THIS WAS HILARIOUS….
Keep up the good work and ignore the trolls….
depooh
March 23, 2013 at 9:01 am
X: ‘You are a freaking ABC’ Ullu: ‘NO, you are a freaking ABC’ – Ullu comebacks
Sachchai ka masiha
March 23, 2013 at 11:39 am
Thank you Ashwini, you seem like a cool person!
Dear Prof Ullu and your many doppelgangers,
Your friends, the Marines are back, and we didn’t have to pursue the matter with any of the dramatic solutions stated in your suggestions in the snooze-worthy post dated March 15, 2013 at 5:02 am. Which is also the post in which you proudly proclaimed – “8000+ words”, can you believe it? Which is also way back when you said ‘…Enough of this debate here. I have said a lot here and in my eyes, nothing else remains….”, but you still continued ooooooooooonnnnnnnnn and onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn and onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn and oooooooooooonnnnn ……………………….. with many more inane ramblings.
Does it disappoint you, that despite the many thousands of likes/shares/tweets (put together) that this article got, the government did not pay heed to your cuckoo solutions?!! Methinks that Shashi Tharoor did a helluva job! ;) Don’t fret, there are lots of therapists out there who will help you recover. ;)
Maya
March 23, 2013 at 7:03 pm
*** Repost of my comment as the original reply had 4 web links which is perhaps seen as spamming by the system here ***
Once again, full scratching of each other’s back taking place here between Maya and Ashwini. After all Maya and Ashwini both are aliases of Argumentative India. Therefore, one should expect them to praise each other profusely.
Anyways Maya, congratulations on your first attempt at posting a proper comment here where you tried to say something on our own instead of feeling good at pointing out a missing ‘s’ in some word in some comment of mine. Btw, pls note the missing ‘y’ in the prev sentence here.
Sadly, it is condolences follow the congratulations. You see, you must now admit that you suck at grasping. This is a trait not unique to you. Ashwini Sugandha and Argumentative India too suck at grasping. Ashwini Sugandha reads “this is a serious issue” as “this is not a serious issue” — Just imagine. Based on this alone, one can clearly see that you all are actually one person posting under different names here. He/she feels totally stretched while trying to come up with rejoinders to my comments so firstly he/she avoids any direct rebutting of my points but tries to stay afloat by pointg out a typo here n there using alias of you. Secondly, he/she tries to give an image that I am saying something else, he/she misquotes me and then writes a whole comment based on that wrong attribution denouncing me. Wow. Thirdly, he/she acts touchy at times (using diff aliases ofc) to give an impression that I am abusing everyone I am talking to when in fact the only person I have abused(?) is Vipul when I called him an asshole (btw, Vipul is quintessential asshole). Even after using so many tricks and aliases when this person can do no more than scratching my bum, his frustration boils over and then he creates a new alias where he abuses me using the worst of Hindi gaalis. This new alias seems to be closest to his real life.
Anyways (again anyways, I love this word, you can cry all you want huh), I offered my condolences to you cos sadly, you again can’t even read properly the simplest of sentences.
You say that —— “the Marines are back, and we didn’t have to pursue the matter with any of the dramatic solutions stated in your suggestions”.
My comment @March 15, 2013 at 5:02 am had a few points about what India should do to deal with this Italian Job. The #1 point there was that ….
“Arrest the Italian Envoy and treat him as a common prisoner. The diplomatic immunity need not be honoured cos he himself has not honoured his own word. Why should India always carry this burden of following norms?”
Maya, did you really read my suggestions? Forget about the rest, did you read at least the #1 suggestion that I’ve quoted just now? Were you able to understand it? I guess no.
Here are some links for you …
‘No legal immunity’ for envoy Daniele Mancini — http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21826651
Italian envoy in India not entitled to immunity — http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/9936843/Italian-envoy-in-India-not-entitled-to-immunity.html
***Find two more links in the reply to this. Doing this to let this comment pass through the filters.***
Two foreign and two Indian media houses have talked about the opinion SC had about the Diplomatic Immunity of the Italian Envoy to India. I leave it to you to see if this is not what #1 suggestion of mine talked about or not.
My suggestions may have looked cuckoo to you but it looks like the mere mention of the very first one in that list did the job (so far). Btw, your buddy Vipul’s lone attempt at offering suggestions was to have voter’s card cos if a person has voter’s card then the Italian Marines will magically come back. Don’t believe me? Forgotten it? Check what Vipul had said @March 13, 2013 at 10:42 pm. ROTFL
There is another MAJOR problem with your comment…
Did I ever say that MY list of suggestions was exhaustive? Did I ever say that MY list was the ONLY list and the govt must follow it? Looking closely, offering suggestions wasn’t even the moot point. The moot point was me expressing my anger at the way Italy had fooled us and telling Ashwin that while his satire was good, the underlying issue was a bit too bitter for me to be masked by the comic element of his satire. Vipul had a problem with my anger. THAT was the moot point. So, asking me if my list of suggestions worked or not is pointless. When I never said that my list was the only list then why are you asking me about it?
Thus, my dear Maya, your first attempt at a somewhat meaningful comment here FALLS FLAT. You questioned me whether MY list of suggestions was useful in bringing the Italian Marines back.
I have established here that even if none of the suggestions from my list had been used it still won’t have mattered cos I never said MY list was the ONLY list.
But I have ANYWAYS established here that the very first item in that list did the job, the mere mention of that first item did it :-p SO WHAT WAS YOUR DAMN QUESTION ALL ABOUT?
PS:- I fully expect you to now shamelessly revert to your usual typo-hunting mode. You will post another silly comment finding some speling mitsake in this comment of mine and see that as a rebuttal.
PPS:- Yes I had left a long time back but when I saw idiots like you who were/are asking to be stripped naked here then I can’t resist it. It is comically pitifully obvious that you and your other aliases like Argumentative Indian, Ashwini Sugandha, Asli Grammar Nazi etc feel good when stripped naked. This is why you keep poking me with your silliest of comments. You guys are eager to get naked here. I am only helping you here in your desire to be humiliated to the max. If you want more of it then feel free to comment more.
(6k+ words, counting them is just a single step for me but a long series of keypressings requiring several leaps for Maya & her kind).
Ullu Banati
March 26, 2013 at 4:55 am
ullu teri maa ka bhosda, ab yahan tune reply kiya na, jis ungli se tu type kar raha hai na saale wahi teri gand me ghusedunga.
Maya
March 24, 2013 at 11:05 pm
Hard for me to figure out why you would abuse me like this. You have posted several silly comments here and I have patiently handled them all. Is it your frustration that is now showing up here?
Some days back too, you had used an alias of Asli Grammar Nazi to abuse me like this. It was clear it was you only in that guise. Now you are abusing me in such a manner?
You were always slipping up in the debate part. You never really posted a proper comment except posting really silly comments pointing out some typo of mine or some wrong usage of “of” or “for” or “in” in my comments. You did post a comment where you apparently tried to talk some sense but even there you slipped up badly. My reply to that comment is awaiting moderation as it has a few web links.
But you got so much frustrated that now you resort to this? Shame on you.
I would have said this comment was posted by someone else but I know for sure that Asli Grammar Nazi is another alias that you had used some days back to abuse me just like this. I guess you are now running short of ideas in debating (as if you were) here. You are good only at finding spelling mistakes, no doubt a great feat for you and have overdone it.
If you want to save your face by using foul language to end the series of your rubbish comments then you do not need to comment here any further.
Initially, for a while I thought you were some educated girl with a kiddish nature but with a good upbringing but by abusing me under Asli Grammar Nazi name and now under your name, you have proven here that you are, after all, just a leaking sewage pipe. Huh.
Take Care.
Ullu Banati
March 26, 2013 at 3:53 am
ullu ki maa randi bade bade kele khaye isne. Isliye ye vela hai
Maya
March 24, 2013 at 11:09 pm
The only person who has used the word “vela” here is Maya.
You used the word vela twice @March 23, 2013 at 3:42 pm.
You used this word again in the comment currently in the context.
Thus, although a tad weak, there is evidence nevertheless that this comment was posted by Maya herself in a state of extreme frustration. I also know that you have abused me using alias of Asli Grammar Nazi.
Maya, you have fallen to new lows now. Argumentative Indian had said here that he/she will fall to any lows to prove me wrong. We know for sure that Maya is one of the several aliases used by this person who posts as Argumentative Indian, this new low is REAL low now.
You are a pathetic, abject sucker Maya. I have replied to nearly every comment of yours and you know it well that almost all of them have been really silly and empty. Still you used such language? Pls do not post any more comments now, no one is interested in seeing how you barf and how much.
Ullu Banati
March 26, 2013 at 4:04 am
Dear Dear Professor Ullu,
Hahahhahahahahah……really Ullu, you are so desperate for attention aren’t you? This is what you’ve come down to??? ;) Posting abuses to yourself in my name???? :)
First you abused yourself using your own name on March 20, and now you’re using my name. Hahahaha, really shows your desperation. Anyone who has been following this thread (apart from you of course with your long-winded boring rants, oh, and cuckoo solutions) will know that I’ve not written the rubbish that you’ve just posted here pretending to be Maya. You’re a zero at disguising yourself, as DJ pointed out a few days back! You’re SUCH a zero, that while abusing yourself using my name, you forgot that I’m a girl and you used the masculine gender. Hahaha! This is total “shambolic” “impedance” at its best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha………isn’t this what Meenu referred to as your Karthick calling Karthick moment! Now you’ll start talking to yourself also. Seriously, you need to go for some therapy!!! ;)
Come on, is this the best you can come up with to cover up for the inadequacies in your English and the cuckoo solutions you provided? BTW don’t you have any answer to my question: what’s your reaction to the return of the Italian Marines to India without the Indian government resorting to any of the stupid solutions you suggested? Bolo Ullu bhai, bolo!
Maya
March 25, 2013 at 12:57 am
It is more likely that you got frustrated a bit too much and your mask came out for a while and you ended up puking at the keyboard and posted it here.
Maya, you have done nothing here except posting comments that talk of a misplaced OF or FOR or AT or TO. Often you have found immense joy in pointing out a typo as a grave mistake in my comments.
So it was a strategy by you, right? I did not even remember that comment of March 20 but you did. Among the 250+ comments posted here, a person remembers a single line comment that was posted by (apparently) someone else 5-6 days ago? Highly improbable.
Looking at it, it is also to be noted that this March 20th comment was posted barely 2 mins after Asli Grammar Nazi had posted another abusive comment about me. Also note that Asli Grammar Nazi has mentioned you unabashedly in his comments and has been extremely nasty about me in other comments of his. Therefore, Asli Grammar Nazi is definitely an alias used by Maya to try a new tactic here, just like Maya was a new alias used by Argumentative Indian to try a new tactic (at that time) vs me here.
Maya / Ashwini Sugandha / Argumentative Indian / Asli Grammar Nazi etc: You all are the same person using different aliases to somehow score some point over me. You fail every time. How desperate you are and how sad it is to see you failing like this each time.
You people have misquoted me and based your comments on those misquotations and I have strongly exposed you there. For eg Ashwini Sugandha saying I had said “You say this is not a serious issue” when in fact I had said “You say this is a serious issue”. I caught his lie, exposed him and you retired him for some time and brought him back after that comment was too much back in time.
You people have tried to somehow find fault in my education, my family background, my job etc when using the alias of Argumentative Indian you treid to attack my entire existence. Too bad you ended up telling me more about yourself there.
You people have tried to tried to stay in the context by finding miniscule mistakes in my comments by saying hey you missed a comma there and a ‘s’ there. Wow. If this is what pleases you then please keep doing it for the rest of your horrible lives.
But when none of your tactics worked, you resorted to this? First you abused me using Asli Grammar Nazi, then you used my own name to post an abusive comment for myself and now you post a comment using the name of Maya and then you though you will be able to get away with it by saying it was I who did that?
It is YOU who is using several aliases here to make it look like several people are debating with me here but none of your avatars has even been able to stand here actually. Maya The Finicky, Ashwini The Touchy, Asli Grammar Nazi The Sicko, Argumentative Indian The Pseudo Intellectual – you have failed in every avatar you have taken here. Who knows how many more avatars you’ve used here.
It could be that YOU created some aliases and then posted comments supporting me and then using another alias posted that it was I who was posting such comments for myself. Who knows? You people are sick, you people have no morals, you might have done this too. Who knows?
You are supporting a person who says MURDER OF TWO HUMANS CAN BE SETTLED BY MONEY. This shows your moral fibre. Why should one expect you to behave morally here?
Asli Grammar Nazi is the ONLY person so far to have used such abusive words here. A comment in my name appeared barely 2 mins after Asli Grammar Nazi has posted an abusive comment. Asli Grammar Nazi has also praised Maya in his comments. It is to be noted that Maya’s comments are really trivial and offer nothing to the main thread but instead focus needlessly on peripheral aspects of my comments here for eh my tendency to use “Anyways” as if it is a banned word. Anyways :-p
In the light of the above para, it is clear there is some link between Maya and Asli Grammar Nazi. It is inconceivable that a person will read 250+ comments here and end up commenting about and praising the one person who has contributed zilch to the debate, unless of course if this new person was related to this praiseworthy person. The only relation possible is that of having the same real identity. Hence, Maya and Asli Grammar Nazi are the same person, probably a guy or (less probably) a very foul mouthed girl.
Maya I think you forgot to change your auto-saved name and email id in the submission form here and thought you were posting as Asli Gramamr Nazi when in fact it shows the saved name as Maya. After the comment was submitted you thought why not one more but after that realized your blunder and so tried to pre-empt the situation by making it look like it was ME who was posting using your name to abuse myself.
Maya aka Asli Grammar Nazi:
If you can think like this that I will use your name to post abusive comments for myself to sully your image then you are really pathetic bastards. You people are sick perverts who must be shot dead or thrown to red ants. The depravity of your mind is shocking and the lack of any morality in you now stands out starkly in broad daylight.
Btw, I’ve already replied to your first attempt at a proper comment here where you asked my about my list. It has a few web links and so it is under moderation at the moment. Do not jump too much just cos you managed to ask me for the first time a somewhat fuller question. Let the moderators review that comment and publish it.
Ullu Banati
March 26, 2013 at 4:47 am
Talking about my inadequacies in the English language, do you mind collating a few of them and posting them here? Anyone can see who tends to miss the woods for the foliage. A missing ‘e’, an incorrect preposition is what makes you feel good? Is this what you aim for in your life? Pointing out such mistakes?
Maya, do you even know what exists beyond syntax? Do you know what exists beyond what exists beyond syntax?
You yourself can’t write a single proper paragraph. Your English language skills are shoddy at best and you like to show off the little that you have learnt by rote from Wren n Martin. It is such a big thing for you right? You feel SOOOOOO elated that you know a few rules of English Grammar. Suits you cos you don’t know much else.
But hang on, are you really that good even on your own chosen turf of English Grammar? Doesn’t look like it.
1. @March 18, 2013 at 12:02 pm —
You said “done an insult” is wrong and said that “have insulted” is correct. Really, how cute. Your merely offered an alternate way of saying the same thing. If you think “done an insult” is incorrect then the onus is on you to show a rule that forbids this explicitly. On the other hand, I can produce reputed material here to show that “done an insult” is a legitimate construct. Btw, this was the very first time you tried to force your stupid grammar rules on me cos you wanted to show off — it was busted.
You have a problem when I use “anyways” in my sentences but you fail to see that you use an excess no of emoticons in your own sentences. At least “anyways” is a perfectly valid word in English. Can you tell me what grammar rule allows you to use emoticons in your sentences? Busted again.
You called me a Wannabe Writer. It is clear that you do not know what wannabe means and throw that word around when you are caught in some soup or want to insult the other person. You see, I could be a writer even if my work never ever gets published. I could be a failed writer, I could be a shy writer. But if I write actual stuff on my own then I can’t be called a Wannabe Writer. Example of wannabe would be YOU cos you act as if you are a Grammar Nazi but your own sentences are full of mistakes, some minor but some rather noticeable. Ahh, Maya The Wannabe Grammar Nazi.
2. @March 18, 2013 at 5:20 pm —
You should have said “I had completely forgotten” instead of “I forgot”. Ouch Maya – your hollow knowledge of Grammar caught again :-p
“Where did I say you physically counted the words” — Should have been — “Where/When did I say you HAD physically counted the words”. Maya, hungry kya? You ate “HAD”?
“Alternatively the word count shows on the….” — Should have been — “Alternatively the word count IS SHOWN on the…” Maya you are just noise, nothing else.
Vinay Dubay told you how wrong you were when you said “Can you tell me which the single step is” — which should have been — “Can you tell me which among these is the single step you had talked about?” Your whole Grammar thing pissed on the floor right there , Ohh Poor Maya, you are losing at the ONE thing you though you were good at – English Grammar. Does it mean you are good at nothing now? Good AT nothing and good FOR nothing and can see good IN nothing – this is your life’s story Maya Ji.
You do not know Uncountable Nouns? Is your English adequate? SHAME SHAME MAYA – Hawwwww.
3. @March 19, 2013 at 1:06 am
“Why Vipul can’t” over “Why can’t Vipul” — is this all you could do? Is this inadequacy or are you clutching at straws?
“That’s just plain stupid…” — Should be “Those comparisons are just plain stupid …”. Remember it was “comparisons” and not “comparison”. You can’t even distinguish between singular and plural and you boast of being good at other things in Grammar? Learn to count first.
4. @March 19, 2013 at 12:12 am
“Don’t you mean impediment?” — Should have been — “Did you mean impediment?”
Maya, this is all written stuff, we are not speaking right now. How could you be so lousy in using the spoken form when you needed to use the written form? Btw, your primary identity Argumentative Indian was trying to save you here by obfuscating the issue and falsely accusing me of doing the same there. By this time, you were really shaken by my counter-questions that showed how little you knew about English Grammar and you did not want to take me head on there when you realized that I was tearing you apart there. So you went quiet after that for a while, may be some tonics and quick revision of Wren n Martin was planned.
5. @March 19, 2013 at 11:33 pm
“Each time you reply” — Should have been “Every time you reply”. You see Grammar Nazi Maya, “each” denotes a specific case while “every” denotes a general rule. Although what you wanted to say is factually incorrect but still, grammatically, what you wanted to say is better expresses by “every” and not by “each”. You tend to slip up on the more delicate points in Grammar. Does not look good on you. How sad :-(
6. @March 23, 2013 at 2:35 pm
You make so much fun cos I use “Anyways” a lot. Does it ever occur to you that you tend to begin a no of your sentences with “And”? How is your “And” better than my “Anyways”? Where did your grammar go regarding your habit of using “And” huh?
Keep in mind that I have not mentioned a no of your so called comments where you are ridiculously confused yourself about correct grammar and yet chose to make comments questioning my grammar. I avoided mentioning them cos I do not want to increase the clutter here.
Another thing that is wrong with your tactic here is that I never really claimed that I was an expert in English Grammar. Did I ever make ANY claim about my English skills being superior to anyone else here? I challenge you to produce one such comment here. You can’t. Therefore, what is the point of pointing out mistakes in my comments from a grammatical point of view? I never claimed my grip on grammar was perfect so your tactic is futile from the outset. You’ve wasted so much time and energy of yours in showing a few typos in my comments. This is the most you have done. Your comments about Points of View were rubbish. Incidentally, I did not see a reply from you there. What happened? I challenged you there and you ran away you coward? Why did you challenge me then when you were not confident enough to handle my counter-volleys?
You have proven that my grip over grammar is not perfect which was never in doubt. I never said my grammar skills were top notch.
But what I have now proven is that your grip over grammar is neither perfect nor too strong. Your skills are about as good (or much worse) than mine. Considering that I really do not give much importance to typos and other similar mistakes while you try to meticulously go through each sentence to find out a flaw somehow, it is YOU WHO SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF NOT BEING GOOD IN WHAT YOU HAD IMPLICITLY SUGGESTED WAS YOUR STRENGTH.
Maya, your own skill level in English Grammar sucks, just as you suck as a person overall. It is YOU who has been exposed here, not me.
My English is not perfect BUT I never claimed it was perfect.
Your English skills suck AND you been trying to give the impression that your English skills are top-notch when in fact they are INADEQUATE :-p
Ullu Banati
March 26, 2013 at 6:56 am
Oh UB FINALLY figured out he is not really good at camouflaging if he writes in English, hence the sudden switch to Hindi.
meenu
March 25, 2013 at 1:01 pm
The Original Comment:
QUOTE:
“Ashwin, this is one topic upon which no matter how talented one is,once can never make a satire. This is just like Bhopal 1984. This is just like Bofors 1987. If the beheading of our two soldiers by Pak wasn’t enough then this one really makes the blood boil of any Indian whose worth is more than 1 paisa.
Ullu Banati
March 12, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Reply”
UNQUOTE.
Good to see the boil continue, for some at least.
In the meantime, the Marines are back in India to face trial, based on assurances from the GOI, which would anyway have been extended by our SC, even without being explicitly requested / demanded by the Italians.
I think the Italians just showed themselves up to be a bit, how does one put it, hasty, perhaps?
I still don’t see how India’s international ‘prestige’ got lowered by this incident.
For those whose who need to keep their blood boiling, I would only suggest not to lose hope, there are no dearth of fools, it is only a matter of time before another fool thinks they can behave irrationally and get away with it.
Argumentative Indian
March 25, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Arrest the Italian Envoy and treat him as a common prisoner. The diplomatic immunity need not be honoured cos he himself has not honoured his own word. Why should India always carry this burden of following norms?
I think this is what Ullu had suggested and may be this was very drastic but it has been because of pressure on not allowing the Italian diplomat to leave India that there has been a positive outcome. Yes, what he did was probably drastic and over the top – writing never ending paragraphs to whoever raised an objection against him but he wasnt all that wrong when he began.
Chill guys and lets find another post, another issue to attack. There is something called as the “Last word disease” and everybody here seems to be suffering from that. All arguing parties want their word to be the last one on this thread. So I wont be surprised if comments keep on pouring here forever.
Ullu ka supporter
March 25, 2013 at 5:53 pm
The above succint message would have elicited universal support.
However, the first message that started off the apparently chain reaction, was itself a negative feedback to the author of the orginal article.
This was followed by untramelled personal attacks and heaping of abuse on those who did not share the blogger’s perspective. Needless to say those actions had their expected reaction.
It is very likely the above message may have gotten lost from the collective psyche on this board, hidden in the torrent of abuse.
The advise to chill is indeed well received. However finding others to attack may be unlikely, because I have NOT seen people ‘attacking’ other issues or posts at UT, I thought people came here to chill, at least that’s what I did.
Untill someone decided to try to publicly humiliate other people.
Argumentative Indian
March 26, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Gosh,How many comments. How much freetime we indians have, and no wonder all this is happening…
Shrewd fellow that ashwin is, he might have picked up some interesting things for his next article as well…..
Narasimhan
March 31, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Crap. I was betting this would touch 300 comments. Come on guys, just a little bit more outpouring of your outrage.
aditya
April 2, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Awww shucks!!!! … A true patriot has been silenced on this page!!! …. That Ullu Banati dude was on fire, maaan!!!! …. You telling me he chickened out ‘cos some buggers called him abusive?????!!!! C’mon Ullu brother, don’t give up!!!! …. If I’d been here when the battle started raging, I’d have had your back, maaan!!!!! Speak up for the cause, the force is with us, brother!!!!!!
Aditya brother, I’m with you maaan!!!! … This cause deserves 300 comments!!!!!! …
What’s the cause again??????!!!!!!!!!!
Ranganathan Trivedi
April 5, 2013 at 12:11 am
Sigh!!! Ullu might have got some productive job!!!
What a waste!!! Missed triple century by narrow margin!
Sugi
April 5, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Na na. Lagta hai, Ullu ji finally chullu bhar paanee mein doob mar gaya. Chullu bhar bhi uske liye kuchh zyaada hi tha.
R.I.P.
Ullu in Chullu
April 5, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RIP Ullu Banaati!
RIP = Ripped in Pieces.
Oh maan, I’m too cool maan!
“Ripped in pieces”, hahahahahahaha
Ranganathan Trivedi
April 8, 2013 at 1:40 am
Some of you may think otherwise but to me it is Ullu who comes out as the better person here. Have you people read the kind of abuses these people threw at Ullu? I also did not see much quality in the comments of some of these people Maya in particular. It is incredible that Ullu kept his cool all this while but yes this page deserves a triple century of comments.
Manpreet Singh
April 12, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Lo, Ullu ka naya avtaar!!! Manpreetey, walcom walcom, ki haal chaal?
Tejinder Singh
April 12, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Yes, Ullu was always the better person, perhaps it was the dwellers of the alternate Universe which he had strayed onto, who were unable to appreciate his talents.
Argumentative Indian
April 16, 2013 at 10:10 am
Yo brother Ullu, nice to have you back maaan …. but what’s with the new avatar dude? Ullu ka supporter was kunjam kunjam cool, but how are your fans to recognize you if you call yourself Manpreet Singh? Ignore the dodos dude!!! …. Quit hating on them!!! …. The cause is not you, the cause is Indiyaaah!!!!! …. The force is with us!!!!! … Fiyyyyyerrrr!!!!
Ranganathan Trivedi
April 13, 2013 at 12:29 am
IMHO, the Indian goverment’s assurances to Italy, are also just a face saver for ITALY.
In the present case, it is very, very unlikely that the Italian Marines would have faced the death penalty. In fact, it is to be seen whether the courts will finally rule the matter as an error of judgement.
Regardless, India has emerged from the issue smelling of Roses.
Argumentative Indian
April 16, 2013 at 11:12 am
Ye sab kya ho raha hai? Ye sab kya ho raha hai?
Whats going on?
Dhitarshtra
April 16, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Wow! I didn’t realise that this is still going on!! Only glad that Ullu has run away and didn’t hijack the last word!
And ( ;) ) I can derive satisfaction from the fact that he finally learnt the grammatical and appropriate use of the word ‘wannabe’.
The out of work wannabe writer has obviously found gainful employment, and I dare say, if it’s as a writer, he’ll never write under the pseudonym ‘Ullu Banati’
Hhehehehehehe
Maya
April 16, 2013 at 7:38 pm
I am sorry but you are no better; nitpicker (do let me know if I spelt it correclty)
Saya
April 17, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Professor Ullu,
Tu jahaan jahaan chalega, Mera saya saath hoga, Mera saya saath hoga!! ;)
Maya
April 19, 2013 at 8:29 am
Is Saya the saaya of Maya or another avatar of Ullu Banati who has now retired hurt? Haaaarrhaaaaarrhaaaaaarrr! Oh maan, there I go killing myself again! Hahahahaha
Ranganathan Trivedi
April 17, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Unreal Mama, why not close the comments section for this page for a while? It is longer than the article.
Kaushik
April 18, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Ranganathan Trivedi
April 19, 2013 at 12:04 am
Triple century :)
troublemaker
May 10, 2013 at 2:37 am